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The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness

Its no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

By: Nick Tumminello Added: January 6th, 2014
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    Thanks for the invitation.

    Well, Monstar told me about this place and said I should check it out. Here I am.

    Little bit about myself. I am a powerlifter, not a bodybuilder, so whatever I can add to the discussions will be based on a strength gaining perspective, and not a hypertrophy perspective.

    As of this writing, I am 28 years old, weigh about 220ish (down cause it is summer) and currently compete in bench only competitions. I am a decent squatter, but because I have a bencher's build, I am an awful deadlifter, and as they say the meet don't start till the bar hits the floor.

    Best bench so far has been a gym lift of 525. Best in competition sadly, is just 480, which was an opener that day. Intended to go 480, 505, 530 but it was just a very bad day. I also had what would have been a State 220 open record 505 red lighted for butt raise. Just need to get it all together on meet day, and I should be able to put up some decent numbers.

    Squat is low 600's and deadlift is mid 400's. Told you I was a terrible deadlifter. These numbers are not world class by any means, but the reason I am posting them is to contrast them with the numbers I had when I started powerlifting 13 months ago.

    Squat - 400
    Bench - 355 (competition)
    Deadlift - 315ish

    I have trained using the Westside Barbell method for the last 13 months and have seen insane improvement. Whatever I can add to the group, I would be happy to do so.

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    Welcome aboard benchmonster. Glad that you decided to check it out. I figured you would fit right in with LATMAN and a few other powerlifters here @ WBB. You should consider starting a jounral in the journals board.

    Nice strenght by the way!!

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    You ARE a bench monster!
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    Sup studd??

    Welcome to my board. Now give me 50 lbs off your bench and maybe I'll give ya 10 off my deadlift.
    Best Meet Lifts(Raw w/wraps):
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    @165- 680 SQ 380 BE 540 DL.....1555 total
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    wow benchmaster, thats insane benching, thats like 5 plates on each side, something like what i would do with my legs.

    what kind of shoulder exercises do you do? have you had any shoulder problems at all?

    welcome, your expierence is valuable
    my goals: gain weight and muscle mass

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    Welcome aboard bench master.

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    hmm, I like to be big!!!
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    lol true monster
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    Welcome and that's a $hitload of weight!
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    I've read your posts on elite. Your lifts very impressive!!!

    welcome

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    Welcome Benchmonster!

    I have read your post on Elite and monstermuscle(powermag) forums. I look forward to reading any advice or info you give. Its good to get more powerlifters on here.

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    Originally posted by someoneunlikeyo
    wow benchmaster, thats insane benching, thats like 5 plates on each side, something like what i would do with my legs.

    what kind of shoulder exercises do you do? have you had any shoulder problems at all?

    welcome, your expierence is valuable
    Well, there are a ton of guys out there who are much stronger than me and have been doing this much longer, but I have not heard too many stories of people making the same kind of gains I have made in the last year, so to that extent, I will be happy to tell you guys whatever I can to help you get stronger.

    Re: shoulders. Mine are fucked up. Especially my right one. I cannot even throw a baseball anymore. That sucks becuase I can't play catch with my son. It is the breaks of the game I guess.

    As far as how to take care of shoulders/train them, I do a lot of band work with jumpstretch minibands wrapped around the power rack for shoulders/rotators. I also use the shoulder horn, which I just recently acquired for building up my rear rotators.

    And guys, if you are wanting to bench big numbers, get a bench shirt. It will allow you to move much bigger weights in much greater safety. I can handle 500 plus with more safety while wearing a shirt, than I can do 350 raw.

    If you are interested in a big bench and not just a big chest, then you have to bench like a powerlifter does it, which takes the pecs out of the equation. If you bench with your elbows away from your lats, you will build a bigger chest, but if you get into some serious weights, then you will be in serious jeapardy of ripping the pec loose from the sternum, or the shoulder joint.

    I have had friends do this, and it ain't pretty. Takes a long time to heal too.

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    Re: Thanks for the invitation.

    Originally posted by benchmonster
    Best in competition sadly, is just 480
    That is sad ..... fu*ker.

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    Well, when you have done more than that on a regular basis in the gym, and have outdone it by 25 lbs in comp to get red lighted on a technicality, it is sad.

    It is the difference between being barely in the top 100 powerlifters at that weight in the world, and being in the top 50.

    B.

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    Originally posted by benchmonster
    It is the difference between being barely in the top 100 powerlifters at that weight in the world, and being in the top 50.
    Clearly you have it in you to make it though ... best of luck getting there. Summon that beastly strength and rip the bar in half, you know you have it.

    Sucks about that ruling ... just use that anger to kill your next lift.

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    So, in 13 months of training for powerlifting, you have increased your squat over 200 lbs, and your competition bench 125 lbs (and really more according to you)? You obviously had been training prior to this 13 month period. So what do you attribute these massive gains to? Do you now use aids like a suit vs. none before, or are these increases based upon using the same equipment?

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    maybe you could help me.im looking for a good strenght gaining routine and would like to see yours if thats ok.
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    Chris- your question is very valid,I'm just hoping you aren't going to call bullsh!t on his progress. Bench tells it like it is and I have been following his progress for quite some time. He'll be the first to tell ya what is weaknesses are and his strengths and benching is a huge stength for him. I'll let him answer for himself though when he sees this.
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    @165- 680 SQ 380 BE 540 DL.....1555 total
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    hey bench monster,

    i got a question for you on bench press since you are truly a bench monster. now i brought up the thing with shoulders and benching early, would you think a decline bench would be easier on the shoulder? im going to try this next time i go to the gym but im wondering your thoughts on this, thanks.

    FYI, it hurts on the front, almost on the top of the shoulder.
    my goals: gain weight and muscle mass

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    Originally posted by chris mason
    So, in 13 months of training for powerlifting, you have increased your squat over 200 lbs, and your competition bench 125 lbs (and really more according to you)? You obviously had been training prior to this 13 month period. So what do you attribute these massive gains to? Do you now use aids like a suit vs. none before, or are these increases based upon using the same equipment?
    The bench was comp to comp. Both using a shirt. The squat was raw vs a suit.

    These gains are from switching to a program that is intended to increase your max strength levels. I can do more raw than I could do in a shirt 13 months ago.

    If you are really interested in getting strong, go to elitefts.com and read all the articles about 3 times. Memorize them. The buy all the tapes, then go thru the web and read everything ever written by Dave Tate or Louie Simmons, then get with some experienced powerlifters and train like a maniac.

    I completely attribute my gains to the Westside Barbell system. Without it, I would be lucky to be benching 400 right now. Maybe not even that. being on the most advanced strength training program in the world is the difference from just being pretty strong, to being very strong.

    B.

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    someoneunlikeyo,

    that is quite a handle. Yes, decline is much easier on the shoulders. Yours hurts in a different spot than mine. Mine hurts in the back toward the top. I have damaged the rear rotator on the right. MRI showed that a few years back.

    Decline, boards, maybe floor press depending on your build all can be done with less shoulder stress than a full press. Also make sure you are doing some rotator work to take as much care of that shoulder as you can.

    B.

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    I am not a training rookie, I was merely curious as to what you atttributed your tremendous gains.

    I have one more question. If the Westside program is truly as spectacular as you say, why has your deadlift not fallen into line with your other lifts (it seems to be way off)? In other words, if all of your success is directly attributable to this great system, even if you were a poor deadlifter by nature, would the special techniques of the system not make you at least an average deadlifter in the same amount of time it made you a monster in the bench press? So, is it the system or is it you?

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    great advice bench monster

    thanks again

    oh yeah, if you were to be critiziced, it would be by chris, the bullsh*t detective (if you read under his username)
    Last edited by someoneunlikeyo; 08-06-2002 at 10:43 PM.
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