Mike Mentzer HIT? Please Help Guys & Be Honest!!!!
I'm 6'2" 175 lbs and used to lift weights very faithfully and even entered the Mr South Bend contest but honestly I was'nt ready. I was cut but had no size and did'nt place in any of the top spots. Here is my question guys and please be honest: I've been a huge fan of Mike Mentzer and his heavy duty system: 1 set per bodypart to failure working out once every 4 to 7 days. I'm going to buy some gain weight protein and faithfully follow the basics for bodybuilding and hope I can get huge. He says anyone should be able to attain the results of there genetics within 3 to 4 years if you go to failure every workout. Please respond if any one is using his HIT system and share your results?
PS; I guess what I'm asking is if I bust my butt at 42 years of age with the HIT system what can I expect as far as results?
I love it. It works great for me.
You can expect great results from the HIT routine. I can't really say what kind of results because thats up to you.
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HIT is good! Results are up to you really. Maybe you should also look into HST.
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I like a little more volume in my training. Not a lot more but the one set to failure thing didn't work for me. Personally the MaxOT program on AST's web site is one of the best programs I have ever used.
HIT seems like a very good program. Give it a shot man and see what you think of it.
Originally posted by TripleP
Mike Mentzer, no doubtly originiated and popularized the Heavy Duty Training, which featured past-failure training on a limited number of total sets per muscle group (usually only 2-4 per body part).
When Heavy Duty was in vogue, Mike Mentzer has thousands of bodybuilders world-wide training with his system, and he sold countless thousands of courses, detailing how to train the Heavy Duty way. But like many fads, Heavy Duty has run its course and is no longer popular.
Few bodybuilders train in the Heavy Duty manner nowdays, and there seems to be little promise that the system will regain its fomer popularity.
By pushing each set as far past failure as humanly possible, Mike Mentzer was able to make great gains from only 2-3 sets on smaller muscle groups and 3-4 on larger body parts.
But, there are some drawbacks to this system.
First of all, many bodybuilders have been seriously injured using Heavy Duty. Usually they failed to warm up properly, using heaving, jerking form to get the weight moving, and normally trainsd so far past failure that they pushed their nervous systems to the poing of collapse.
Secondly, very few bodybuilders can actually generate the type of energy and mental drive necessary to get sufficient stimulation from so few sets. They go at less than 100% effort, and as a result get less than 100% success.
And finally, bodybuilders who followed the Heavy Duty system often had difficulty in achieving the type of intramuscular striations and other details necessary to win top titels.
They'd come into shows very big and very hard, but lacking the fine details which made the great champs (Arnold Schwarzenegger, Frank Zane) - they both defeated Mikey Menzter.
If you want to try the Heavy Duty system, keep these failings firmly in mind. If you dont, you probably will be injured, and if you arent, you wont make the type of gains you have been promised.
HIT is a good way to learn what your strong and weak points are, and it may be the routine for you. But realize everyone is genetically unique. HIT may not work for you because your arms require more or less volume, for example. Use it to learn about your body and then make adjustments as you see fit. Mike Mentzer was a great man, though, too bad we lost him.
I use the one set method...
I do not train much beyond failure
when I was doing 6-12 sets per bodypart my intensity was very high and my gains were good
I am using *slightly* more intensity now and seeing better results with 1 set
currently I go beyond failure 1 week and don't even hit failure the other week and am gaining more strength now
my sick mother (fibromyalgia, chronic fatigue, narcilepsy)
also uses the 1 set method and in no way approaches failure
she has put on significant muscle for an ill woman approaching 60 yrs old
the guy I train with is making great gains with the 1 set method also
he is the opposite end of the spectrum from my mother
he is recently out of a University football program where he was practicing up to twice a day and doing weights (6-12sets)
since he was able to gain in that environment I assume he has a high threshold for training volume
I allways say if a training method/program dosen't work for everyone then it is not a good method
HIT is fantastic. Great for strength and mass. You will need to eat more than you ever have but eat clean and healthy and you will gain quality weight.
I did it. I did not care for it. It took me ten years of training to find something I like. Seems like if you are intent on bodybuilding then HST, or the old fashioned volume approach seems to be very popular.
Realize at 42, if you are intent on staying clean, that the "Huge" boat has left the harbor. At that age the body has ceased making the massive amounts of testosterone it made at age 19-25 or so. You can become very fit, and muscular, but a 300 lb monster, is out of the question.
A couple of things in response to Triple P's post.
First, the beginning is mostly correct.
I do find it funny about the fad reference, insofar as the people that call HIT a fad love HST, and Max OT etc. Seems a little odd, no?
Now, as to the thing about not being able to get as finely detailed as other bodybuilders, that is complete horseshit. A certain form of training will not somehow alter the amount of definition one has, insofar as the method itself somehow altering the muscle's structure. Bodyfat is the sole determinent of details etc. Some people can get leaner than others, period. In the 1980 Olympia, Menzter was more shredded than either Arnold or Zane. Look at pictures if you do not believe me. The placements in that show were all about politics, not the physiques.
Oh, and a certain multi Olympia winner named Dorian Yates might have a few things to say about HITers not being able to win shows.
One last thing, that post was a quote from some misguided bodybuilding luminary whose name escapes me at the moment.
As to the original question, HIT is a great way to train, but I recommend a slight variation in the form of 2-3 sets to failure as opposed. In my opinion, training to failure in all sessions is the best way for the beginning and intermediate trainee to exercise. Alternating failure with short of failure workouts is best for the advanced trainee (assuming no drugs are involved).
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