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    Desperately trying to lose weight!

    Hi! I found wannabebig.com through a search engine and I thought this would be a good place to finally get some help. I'm a 5'9 200lbs college kid and I really need to lose weight. I'm really unhappy with my appearance and I want to do what I can to change it.

    I don't really know where to begin with working out. By no means am I knew to the gym, I just don't use it to be in better shape that I am in. A friend of mine who is in excellent shape does a three day cycle with arms, chest, and back/shoulders on different days. He doesn't really work on his legs. Anyway, he says I should jump in with him, which sounds like a good idea since he's in good shape. I'm not looking to become a body builder, although it certainly looks like fun, I just want to lose weight, close to 20-30 lbs worth. I'd also like to do it as safe as possible. I was thinking I need to hit the gym 5 days a week deffinently and probably run 5 days a week also. A reduction of my calorie intake is probably a good idea too.

    My friend told me to lose weight, I might want to start taking whey protein, maybe a shake a morning to add protein to my diet to help me build muscle and speed up my metabolism. What I'm worried about is that the added protein will only make me bulkier and bigger and not really make me look any fitter, should this be a concern of mine or will it help?

    I have the works! Man boobs, love handles, a spare tire, big ass, and huge legs. I lost count of how many chins I have and from the side, I look huge! Oddly enough I have skinny arms

    I think it would be a great suprise if I came home from school at the end of October, my next break 15lbs lighter, although I'm willing to take things a step at a time.

    Can someone give me some advice? I know little about nutrition, except what I've read online and I dunno how reliable that is. I know how to workout I just need direction. I suppose I was going to start out with routine 1 over @ WBB, unless you guys feel thats to advanced for me. Is that too much time to spend running and if so how long should I be running? I can run pretty well for a guy my size, I'd say I can do a mile in under 7 minutes of course I haven't been timed since high school. I have full access to the college gym so equipment shouldn't be a problem. Does it matter when I work out/jog? Should I do one before the other? Does it matter when I drink my protein shake? Is breakfast a bad idea, should I save it for a workout?

    Sorry for all the questions but like I said, I'm desperately trying to lose weight!

    thanks in advance!
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    Just run like a bitch

    Honestly... run your ass off as much as you can and keep a clean diet.

    You can do the mile under 7 minutes? ****, for an overweight person that's good... Wanna know something? I can't even run the mile... I have to slow down and walk after about 8 minutes..

    Just run like Forest Gump and in no time you'll see improvement.

    Keep us posted on the progress!

    Also alternatives to running are: mountain biking, jumprope, swimming, boxing, aerobics..

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    DON"T TAKE PROTEIN POWDER.

    10 step fat loss:


    1. Stop eating 'Fast Food' completely.

    2. Make Tuna sandwiches on wholmeal bread your lunch, apples for sweets, slow release carbs such as oats for brekky with skim milk, for dinner have a small piece of chicken breast with some salad (lite dressing) and rice.

    3. Drink over 2 litres of water a day.

    4. Run

    5. Rowing machine

    6. 20 or 25 lbs dumbell curls alternate arms as many reps as you can.

    7. No sports drinks.

    8. If you're bored do some pushups.

    9. Don't over-train only do what you can do otherwise you might give up too quickly, push yourself but don't make your body hate you.

    10. Cheat day. Pick 1 day a week to munch on some chocolate or a homeade hamburger with homeade chips with olive oil. But dont eat maccas kfc or other fast food because it's addictive and easy to give up.


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    Is there a reason why I shouldn't be drinking the protein shake?

    Yea I can run pretty well. I mean maybe I came off sounding bigger then I am. I'm heavy but I carry my weight fairly well and I'm real athletic. So I suppose I'll start running more often.

    Now about the gym, is there a reason why I shouldn't be doing a set routine or is that just going to add bulk to me?

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    if you truly wanna lose fat, then train your legs regularly.
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    Originally posted by JamesS
    Is there a reason why I shouldn't be drinking the protein shake?

    Absolutely not. Drink protein shakes if you want.

    1) break your meals up into 5-6 small meals and eat every 3 hours
    2) eliminate sweets, junk food, and hidden sugars
    3) do cardio early on an empty stomach
    4) lift 3 times a week focusing on heavy compound movements
    5) drink 1 gallon of water a day
    6) try to get 1 gram of protein per lb. bodyweight
    7) do not shy away from fats...especially EFA's.

    The above are tried and true. They work. IMO, it don't matter if you want to lose weight or put weight on, you go about it the same way......the only difference being your calorie intake would be different in each case.

    As you put muscle on your frame, you will then start to burn fat more efficiently. Just watch those carbs....but don't eliminate them.

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    Your friend sounds like a good guy, other than the fact that he doesn't train his legs. Big tuttut in bodybuilding.

    As for weight loss, most of the advice already given is solid. Fast food is the devil.

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    I think Westy could stand to listen more than he talks.

    Training:

    Lift 3 days a week. Either a full body routine, alternate push/pull or upper/lower, or a push/pull/legs. Stick with the basics, learn proper form, then add weight.

    If you like to run, run. I'd do it 3 times a week on days you don't lift (leaving one day off completely)

    Diet:

    As horrible as it sounds - eat less. You could go through all of the calculations, but basically, in order to drop bodyfat, you have to eat less than you are now.

    Eat 5-6 times a day. Start out around 12 cals per pound of bodyweight or so, adjust as needed. I'd split it 40% protein, 30% carbs, 30% fats. Again, adjust as needed, but always make sure you get 1g per pound of protein and get a dose of EFAs.

    Stick to it.

    An occasional cheat (or refeed) is fine, but keep your total caloric intake for each week at 12 cals per pound per day or so.
    Squats work better than supplements.
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    get a book called Body for life by bill phillips.

    it is not perfect but what he says about food is good stuff.

    if you are 200lbs i would suggest cycling rather than running.

    do the 5 or 6 small meals thing.

    get some weights, or join a gym and work out 3 days a week. follow the WBB routines from this site, they will help a lot. on the days that you don't go to the gym cycle or walk briskly for 20mins-1hour.

    Building up muscle is the best way to lose weight. combined with a sensible amount of food you can't go wrong.
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    whoa Paul typed at the same time as me.

    Don't worry about Bulking up, you want to get as much muscle as possible, as muscle burns calories while you are sat on your ass
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    Suggesting BFL is liable to give me an anurism.

    (you are right, it isn't perfect, and as I recall, the diet stuff is decent for a beginner)
    Squats work better than supplements.
    "You know, if I thought like that, I'd never put more than one plate on the bar for anything, I'd never use bands or chains, I'd never squat to parallel or below, and I'd never let out the slightest grunt when I lift. At some point in your lifting career (assuming you're planning on getting reasonably strong and big), you're going to have to accept that most people think you are some kind of freak." -Sensei
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    Paul know what you mean, But if you are new to all this BFL is a good start, and has pictures of the exercises etc. but for some reason I'd love to punch Bill Phillips in the face, he's just got that kind of face. If you do buy the book don't buy all his supplements. At my gym (large chain, not really good for serious lifting) they tend to give new people dodgy workouts and you see the same people there for years and they look exactly the same, few seem to concentrate on building muscle to lose weight, and most try to "cardio it off" which really doesn't seem to work very well. I reckon lift heavy for 3 days, concentrating on squat ,deadlift, pullup, bench and shoulder press, with cardio on 3 other days, Eat 5 meals per day. and you cant go wrong.
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    Just make sure you show up when you need to, and eat when your supposed to. Its not half as hard as it seems.

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    I'd lift very hard 3 days per week, watch your diet (pm me, and I'll show you my cutting diet if you'd like!) and do some mad cardio 3 or 4 days a week or so, 40 mins per day, and try to do it before breakfast so your body burns the fat stores instead of carbs and what not you ingest during breakkie.
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    rookiebldr says:
    As for the weight gain, that too shouldn't be a problem, just tell them your leaning out. Then flex your bi and tell them to ****ing get lost.
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    yeah or throw something at them
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    like a couple of 45's

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    Thanks for the replies guys! I suppose a lot of it is just common sense, you just need someone to basically tell you it.

    Paul & BB your advice is great! I ran two miles today, I suppose thats a start. It's weird I have no problem doing a mile, but add an extra foot to that mile and man it feels like I'm going twenty! I suppose I hafta crawl before I can walk though.

    I don't mean to ask so many questions but I have a few.

    1.) Why is cycling better then running? I'm up at school about 500 miles from home and it might be difficult to have a bike sent up here. After I wrote that sentence I realized we have the bikes in the gym so I guess that doesn't make a difference. I would think running would be more effecient then biking though, or am I wrong?

    2.) Why excercise in the morning? Does it really make a difference or is that just to get it out of the way early? I have classes starting at 9 MWF and 11 T & Th. The gym opens at 7:30 so I guess I could get a workout in before.

    3.) Other then Body For Life, is their any other good resources out there that someone could recomemend to learn more about nutrition and how to do different excercises? I'm all about learning how to do things right, and I look in my gym and it seems like a lot more guys trying to lift the most weight then lift the most weight correctly. I'm willing to invest the time, I just want to do it right.

    Thanks again for all the great help! I really appreciate this more then most of you will ever know. What a great forum!

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    Good resourses, well you allready found this one. I mentioned cycling as if you are heavy it is easier on your joints, but if you allready run then stick with it. Pick a program and stick with it.

    good luck
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    i am 195 now@10% body fat i was @225 around 26-30%b.f i went down to 175@8% at one time and how i did was simple, and i am not saying that this good for your body but it works. Do intense cardio before eating and then dont each much at all, just do as much cardio as you can with eating as little as possible, i would make sure to take all your vitamins, and try to eat an mrp whe you do eat.

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    Cardio first thing in the morning is best for fat burning as over night your body will burn the glycogen in the muscles. Glycogen is your body's first source of energy so in the evening your when your glycogen levels have built up need to burn this before your body will look to other sources of fuel (fat).

    By doing cardio early you will burn fat more quickly making your workouts more effective.

    Lift with correct form and you will prevent yourself from getting injuries. By trying to lift the heaviet weight in the gym you will be more like to get hurt.

    There are so may books out there, The best thing to do is just read this site each day any you will learn very qwuickly all that is relevent to your cause.

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    Originally posted by duque21
    i am 195 now@10% body fat i was @225 around 26-30%b.f i went down to 175@8% at one time and how i did was simple, and i am not saying that this good for your body but it works. Do intense cardio before eating and then dont each much at all, just do as much cardio as you can with eating as little as possible, i would make sure to take all your vitamins, and try to eat an mrp whe you do eat.
    Yeah you can lose weight by starving yourself...but that isn't the best way to go about it. I usually see most folks that do this end up right back as heavy as they were over the long haul. The problem is once they start eating again they start putting the weight back on.

    Change your lifestyle and start eating properly 6 times a day. Lose the weight gradually while learning how to eat the right way.

    IMO, losing weight by not eating is just not very wise.

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    Duque, your advice is poor.

    1.) Why is cycling better then running? I'm up at school about 500 miles from home and it might be difficult to have a bike sent up here. After I wrote that sentence I realized we have the bikes in the gym so I guess that doesn't make a difference. I would think running would be more effecient then biking though, or am I wrong?

    ** Biking tends to be easier on your joints. Do the cardio you like.. that's the key. If you like running (and have no health issues preventing running), run. If you like biking, bike. If you like skipping around in your sister's prom dress... well, maybe that might not be the best idea.

    2.) Why excercise in the morning? Does it really make a difference or is that just to get it out of the way early? I have classes starting at 9 MWF and 11 T & Th. The gym opens at 7:30 so I guess I could get a workout in before.

    ** some people find cardio in the morning before eating is more effective. In the grand scheme of things, it really doesn't matter. Lift when you lift the best.

    3.) Other then Body For Life, is their any other good resources out there that someone could recomemend to learn more about nutrition and how to do different excercises? I'm all about learning how to do things right, and I look in my gym and it seems like a lot more guys trying to lift the most weight then lift the most weight correctly. I'm willing to invest the time, I just want to do it right.

    ** For training, I'd read McRoberts Insiders guide. I'd also read McCallm's Keys to Progress. Most nutrition books tend to be related to specific diets like Adkins, the Zone, etc. The basics are available to you here and other sites. I do suggest reading some of the specific diet books, as many of them do explain nutrition and physiological processes well.
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    This is not the best way to do it, but this how I did lost a lot of weight in a short time (close to 30 pounds)

    At least 30 minutes of intense cardio at least 6 times a day (I always ran: on a treadmill)

    I ate about 2000 calories a day with about 70% being protein, Tuina out of the can, tons of chicken, protein (with water) for breakfast, etc

    3 month later I was 155 from 183 and Abs were starting to show. I did look week, and lose muscle, but I wasn't pudgy and lost my beer guy I was proud. I then took a break (I don't know why) but did not gain a pound despite a shitty diet.

    I am now back at it and gaining.

    Oh yes, i lost the weight in about 2 and a bit months and a trined with weights as well (sometimes) when I did it was cardio in the morining and training in the evening.

    Like I said Im not saying that it is smart to train and diet this way I am just saying it worked
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    MY advice is poor and thats why it worked so well and for other like me......humm that makes a lot of sense

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    Yes Duque21, your advice is poor. Here's why. When you starve your body for a certain period of time, the metabolism drops, as the body is trying to conserve calories. If you are attempting to lose weight, this is not the best way to go about it. Secondly, the body needs calories from somewhere. If you are not providing them from regular small meals, it will supply them, some from fat, BUT also some from breaking down muscle tissue and utilizing the protein. Again, if you are trying to lose weight, losing muscle will make the job harder than it needs to be. Thirdly, the body needs energy for cardio and workouts. Ever try not eating for two days and then workout? Fourthly, if you are not eating enough, and continue to do so, you might end up impairing certain body functions (for the long term).
    Yes starving yourself can result in speedy weight loss. However, (and this is a fifth reason) when you stop, you almost always put the weight back on and then some more (see reason one).

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