Time to break off from the "Americans" thread and give this subject one of its own.
My stance is very simple. I believe that the opportunity exists for everyone in America to make something of themselves. I believe that if someone works intelligently and hard for something, it is possible for them to acheive it.
First off, I never said that taking advantage of these opportunities was easy. Quite the opposite. I believe that the people that you mention, Nights, have made very poor decisions to put themselves into the poor situations that they are in. Are they stuck in those situations forever? I don't think so. A person's future is not determined by their past. Is it influenced by it? Hell yes, but not determined by it. It is possible for anyone to break the bonds of poverty if they set their mind and their muscle on it.Originally posted by Nights
On second thought, you're right Craig. People like being poor. They think "what the hell, I like eating out of the garbage so I can survive. I like sleeping outside even in the winter. I like selling my body so I can survive/feed my children/whatever". How stupid of me to think otherwise. How stupid of me to not realize that all they have to do is try and they'll easily get out. It's not a struggle at all. Their just ******* morons, too damn lazy to go out and get a real job.
By the way, Manveet, I appreciate your input in this discussion. Somehow it has a little bit more thought behind it then some others that post on this site. To get to your point: in regards to your socialogy class and the theories that it brings up, I think that most of that is not valid. In fact, I think that 90% of what is taught at universities today is worthless, and adds nothing to today's job skills...Originally posted by Manveet
Choice was one of the points for the "individualitic" thoery on poverty. I mean there is no way in hell that you can understand where I'm coming from. I used to think that poverty stricken people got like that cause it was their choice not to go to school, or pursue a job or whatever. But all I have to do is look at my family and the stuff my parents had and have to go through. Although I have mentioned points on how society plays a major role in poverty, that is not what I advocate. I'd like to think that structural and individualistic thoeries are inter connected, they relate with each other. They are a combination which define why people are poor. Craig if you think female/male minorities are getting special treatment in the job force you might be correct. Many jobs need people with a diverse background to communicate with an increased diversified society. In canada the local police may want to hire the asian/east indian or whatever minority group because they need the diversity because of the demand placed buy the public. I would like to get into this some more, and I will, but I best be goin to school now
I say that poverty is the absence of Choice. If you don't decide to do something with yourself, then you most likely will not get anywhere. As far as needing the know how to make better choices, I completely agree with you, hemants. This is one of the key places where our school systems need work. There needs to be classes on money - how to earn it, how to save it, how to invest it. This along with reading, 'riting, and 'rithmatic should be the most important things taught in school today. With that being said, we live today in an Information Age. Never has information been more widely available to people. The last time I checked, public libraries were open to rich and poor alike, and what a great place that is to begin searching for ways to get out of the ghetto...Originally posted by hemants
Poverty is not always a choice. You have to have the know-how to make better choices and that requires being exposed to the right ideas etc. etc.
Aside from the mentally challenged, poverty exists largely due to circumstances.
In America and Canada if you make the right choices, it is possible to get out of poverty BUT you have to at least have the good fortune of being exposed to some idea of what the right choices are. Often that is not under your control.