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The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness

Itís no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

By: Nick Tumminello Added: January 6th, 2014
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  1. #51
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    Originally posted by ArjKing
    But I think using it once every 3-4 weeks as JoeyG does is just silly, you might as well take a rest day.
    Isn't one of the concepts of body building is to stimulate the muscles for growth?? Now if I use the smith once every 3 or 4 weeks, which will be something my body is not use to, wouldn't that stimulate growth? Yes, you might have to use more weight to equal the weight of a BB but aren't we all trying to get bigger and with that comes stronger. I wouldn't really call is silly, but you are entitled to you opinion.
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    W8 you said that the only reason someone lifts for strength is ego. I did not say my main reason is skeletal strength, just that your ignorance of the benefits of weight training are pretty high. I train for a multitude of reasons...strength training is good for my potentail forray into mixed martial arts. It also doesn't induce as much DOMS which also allows me to train more effectively in martial arts.

    As for the smith improving your physique, in the pics you posted I saw a reduction in bodyfat, but not much of a gain in muscle...so unless the smith is a new dieting tool I have no clue how you can attribute your gains to this machine.

    As for your comments to the "newbie", just because he has only a few posts on this board doesn't make him a newbie. You've been here a while and still have no clue what you are talking about so I'm not sure where you found the reason to attack him.

    Also, I laugh at the comments on people won't get to your level and how great you are. Dude, your not that great. Maybe in the trailer park you are top dog, but I see nothing special that makes you think you are so good. I never post stats, or use my lifts to justify my reasoning. I could easily say I'm bigger than you, stronger than you, and sexier than you, all of which are true, but that won't lend me any credibility to my argument.

    If you think the smith is equal to free weights, or that your gains improved because of the smith it's fine to believe that in your own little world, where you are arnold and everyone else is little and weak, but just know that you are only BSing yourself. I only continue this conversation because I find your responses and overall ignorance amusing. Please respond.
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    isnt trainging with free weights better for atlethic performance???
    "The whole jedi thing was just not compatible with my lifestyle. My master was jelous he was always holding me back, -"be mindfull of the future, but live in the present"- what the hell does that mean? I even got my arm cut off...it just sucked. So i switched to the dark side and i havent looked back once...Now i am shooting lightning from my fingertips, choking people over the phone, i even get to wear a cape.....its just boss. My name is Anikin skywalker and i am a sith lord."

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    Originally posted by ArjKing
    As far as training for chicks goes, I think you're barking up the wrong tree there. 95% of the good lookin girls I see are with tall skinny guys, not guys with 18" arms. But I can see where you are coming from, as most of the guys your age are fat and out of shape, being big and lean definitely has it's advantages.
    Are you on crack? If they had the choice I doubt they go for the skinny guy. And I haven't seen that many guys with 18" arms outside the gym. And never have I heard the big guys in my gym complain how the good looking girls always choose the skinny guys, but maybe things are different where you live.

    Was my previous question stupid or why hasn't anyone answered it?
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    BTW, I didn't DISMISS the listed benefits of training... I said (quote) I KNOW what you are saying about skeletal strength and bone density, etc., is the truth (en-quote) but the gyst of the post was that ElPietro was suggesting that those reasons were more or less WHYhe lifts weights.

    Read the posts around here, Dude.[/B][/QUOTE]

    LOL is it just me or is the proof in the pudding? Right after I say that all you do is insult people you prove my point. You know nothing about me but assume I'm a n00bie and then assume a condecending tone. There is no need to take that kind of attitude to prove your point. Then in your infinite ignorance make comments to argue the functionality of a smith machine and to validate your physical status. LOL I never even said anything for or against the smith machine or about your physique.

    About the quote your ignorance and arrogance blinds you to all other's opinions around you. If you really READ my posts and probably everyone else's you would realize what we were really saying. Not what you thought we were saying. I never said you dismissed the secondary benifits of weightlifting at all. I'll repeat what I said just so you can see it. (Hope you read this cuz you seem to be blind to things in paranthesis)

    Previously someone mentioned some of the benifits of bb and totally dismissed them (not as lies but as goals that no one would have).

    So no more bashing people ok? I never made a comment about your knowledge/physique/equipment. To each his own I say.

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    Originally posted by ElPietro
    W8 you said that the only reason someone lifts for strength is ego.
    I never said that.

    did not say my main reason is skeletal strength, just that your ignorance of the benefits of weight training are pretty high.


    You really think I have no understanding of the overall benefits of exercise and training? LMAO!

    I train for a multitude of reasons...strength training is good for my potentail forray into mixed martial arts. It also doesn't induce as much DOMS which also allows me to train more effectively in martial arts.
    I'm very proud of you!

    As for the smith improving your physique, in the pics you posted I saw a reduction in bodyfat, but not much of a gain in muscle...so unless the smith is a new dieting tool I have no clue how you can attribute your gains to this machine.
    If you say so. Bodyfat reduction is my prime concern these days. I have about all the size I need and genetics certainly play a part there as well.

    As for your comments to the "newbie", just because he has only a few posts on this board doesn't make him a newbie. You've been here a while and still have no clue what you are talking about so I'm not sure where you found the reason to attack him.
    He said I was ignorant. I'm not. I just happen to support an unpopular point. Anyone here who knows me over the past year and a half knows that I support the use of free weights, but that it's not all there is. There are gains to be made in a host of other ways other than free weights.

    He attacked me and he doesn't even KNOW me! Seems hardly fair to me.

    Also, I laugh at the comments on people won't get to your level and how great you are. Dude, your not that great. Maybe in the trailer park you are top dog, but I see nothing special that makes you think you are so good. I never post stats, or use my lifts to justify my reasoning. I could easily say I'm bigger than you, stronger than you, and sexier than you, all of which are true, but that won't lend me any credibility to my argument.
    LMAO!!

    Ok. Do you feel better now?

    If you think the smith is equal to free weights, or that your gains improved because of the smith it's fine to believe that in your own little world, where you are arnold and everyone else is little and weak, but just know that you are only BSing yourself. I only continue this conversation because I find your responses and overall ignorance amusing. Please respond.
    I never said that either. If you read without your biased-colored glasses on, you will read that I say that free weights are #1. No doubt about it. They are not the ONLY way to get somewhere, though. Just because I use a smith machine doesn't mean that I cannot create a decent physique.

    In the most out-of-shape country in the world, it's a fact that AT LEAST 85% of the nation (and I suspect it's more than that) will never make it to my level, and I am MOST CERTAINLY not at the TOP level, to be sure. That's not to say that I am PERSONALLY the biggest, the best, the strongest, etc., that's just a fact. And the stats worsen as age increases. In MY demographic, it's nearly UNHEARD of! 260 million Americans... YOU do the math!

    Say what you will, but you see a very crowded gym on January 1 and a pretty quiet gym by March 1st. Most people start it and give up. The results just don't seem to happen quickly enough for the average person.

    A large amount of the folks here are the exception, but a good amount are not. HOW many members does this forum have? How many are inactive? Now take these numbers and develop a percentage... ya don't need to be a quantum physicist to come up with a pretty good idea of what I'm talking about.

    I respond because I find your defensive attitude VERY amusing! I have nothing to prove to you or anyone else here. I am only trying to offer a point that there's more than one way to skin a cat. It's a smith machine. It's a standard piece of equipment in most ANY gym. They work. They MAY not be the best, but they work.
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    Your third post to this forum was a personal attack to me personally!

    YOU don't know ANYTHING about me, EITHER! I MAY not be the most prolific poster at this forum, but it's pretty easy to see that I am WAY supportive of several different types of weightlifting. Just because someone chooses a different way than the majority does NOT mean that person is wrong.

    I have great deal of respect for many of the posters here. I have learned plenty from reading and absorbing ideas different than mine.

    I wish I had some of the good drugs you are taking.
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    Originally posted by W8_4_Me
    Unless you compete in PL or some other strength-related competition, gaining massive strength levels, no matter HOW you do it, is only to stroke your ego.
    I guess you didn't say that then?

    Anyway, enough nitpicking. You are limited to the smith because you work out in your garage and that's what you have. But the guy who started this thread has access to regular free weights. I will go back to the original argument, that if you walk into the gym and there is a flat bench and a smith machine, there is no reason whatsoever to use the smith machine for anything other than a towel rack. There is nothing the smith will help you with that any other regular machine would. It is not a replacement for bench press. As power said, I'd rather just go on a hammerstrength machine as there is some better design technology involved, rather than just moving a bar along a vertical plane.

    Your whole speech on the state of american health is irrelevant. You say most people won't get to your level, but it was only to boost yourself. Someone can be in better shape than 85% of US citizens by doing 3 sets of 10 pushups and crunches every day, but that doesn't mean they should limit themselves to this.

    This is a bodybuilding forum, so if we are going to hold ourselves to standards of the general populace than of course we are all musclebound freaks, but here we are a common element, so we should be checking our egos at the door.

    The smith may not be some evil device, but it is less than optimal, and when the superior alternative is readily availalbe then it becomes an obsolete piece of equipment.

    I don't know where you find that I have a defensive attitude. I am trying to steer people in the right direction...maybe I am defending them from misinformation. Poor training decisions will still yield results over no training at all. It's recognizing that there are better methods that will allow your rate of progression to increase at a greater rate. That's why size, and strength aren't always a great method of determining who knows what. Just because someone can bench 300 or 400lbs, doesn't mean they couldn't have gotten their quicker with other methods, or that they may be able to bench more if they tried something else.

    I could probably get a great physique lifting potted plants, but you don't see a greenhouse in the gym.
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    Oh, I see what you mean. The "you" is not you, PERSONALLY... Trade the word "you" with the word "one".

    This could go on all day, ElPietro.

    Getting people to try different things is NOT misinformation. New perspectives or even DIFFERENT perspectives might yield surprising results. The folks here blanketly pan the use of smith machines and that's where the misinformation comes into play.

    We are all trying to get somewhere that the mass populace will never get to. We have to hold ourselves up to higher standards or the dream will never be realized.

    I appreciate your reminder that this is a weightlifting forum. I almost forgot.
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    I tend to tune out as soon as I see 'smith machine' in a thread any more.

    Apparently I needed to pay more attention.

    Instead of removing all of the posts that I should, I'm just closing this.

    There is no need whatsoever for personal attacks. Make your point, get on with it.
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