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The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness

Itís no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

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    Trying to figure this out JohnCollins's Avatar
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    Interesting article on understanding evil

    I feel at least a 5-page post coming on.

    http://www.newsmax.com/archives/arti...2/172116.shtml

    Seems pretty simple to me! Let the debate begin!
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    Wow John that has to be the most accurate portaral of the marxist/leftist/liberal I have ever read!!! That was an awesome op ed!!!! Any more john? Post post post them for all these liberals to read! Again very very very good post!!!!

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    I like that a lot.

    It seems that all too often people are looking to "fix" what's wrong, instead of realizing maybe there's nothing to fix.

    Violence is and should be a last resort; but there are some times when talking won't work and you just have to stand up and take a crowbar to somebody's knees.
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    You right wingers really live in your own little naive black and white dream world don't you Treetrunks? Rush Limbaugh got you that brain washed?

    It's funny that this article can say "they don't believe in evil". Did the writer ask all of them? I believe in good and evil. But it seems like you want to believe that "our side" never commits an act that we'd consider evil. You want freedom without responsibility.
    The fact of the matter is, if you want to talk about "good and evil" far more "evil" has been done in the name of capitalism/mercantilism than your little lumping of marxism/leftism/liberalism. Don't believe it? Did you even take a history course outside of high school? Besides, there has never been a true marxist movement. The Soviet Union, China, Cuba, those aren't true examples of that type of philosophy. And if you want to talk about control freaks take a look at who is in the White House and how they are trying to control everything. Including deteriorating individual state power which I happened to agree with you we needed more of in one of your other posts. Pfft. There's no reasoning with simple minded people like you.
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    I agree to an extent, Shane. True there were a lot of generalizations tossed around.

    But there IS a very strong movement towards PC socialist servitude in this country. And while no, it may not have committed the "acts of evil" that capitalism has, it certainly doesn't help to condone those acts and make them acceptable.
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    "You right wingers really live in your own little naive black and white dream world don't you Treetrunks? Rush Limbaugh got you that brain washed?"

    Gee got anymore trite liberal cliches? Liberal rhetoric never changes. There some things that you can always count one, death, taxes, and the same liberal cliches. You didn't mention racist, sexist, and inhumane shane. Saving those for later?
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    No. It doesn't Powerman. But who is condoning those acts? I think events like 9-11 are as tragic as everyon else. I haven't seen one person here say they that attack was acceptable. I think Bin Laden is evil and so is Saddam Hussien for that matter. But many here would believe that no one on "our side" could be evil or that our side doesn't do actions similar. Just because someone is a conservative they are good? That's absurd. And the hypocrisy runs amuck for Republicans and Democrats. When I was an undergrad in History I noticed a trend that ran among most leaders throughout history with very few exceptions. They tend to serve their own interests even at the expense of the people.
    It is human nature to assume your side is right/good and the opposition side is wrong/evil. That must be safely guarded against because we are all guilty of it to some degree or another.
    But a lot of the right wingers, especially on this board, don't really give a sound argument. They will criticize a liberal point of view but they are hypocritical. I have yet to see a sound argument from one of them on this board. The closest any of them have come is Allen. If you want to be negative about liberals, give a sound argument. The retarded aspect about this is I'm not even a liberal and I think it's absurd how many people form their opinions with such large blinders on.
    Often times societies commit, or allow to be committed, evil acts without knowing it. And when we do know it we justify it in our own minds. The U.S. is no different in this than other nations.
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    Originally posted by TreeTrunks
    "You right wingers really live in your own little naive black and white dream world don't you Treetrunks? Rush Limbaugh got you that brain washed?"

    Gee got anymore trite liberal cliches? Liberal rhetoric never changes. There some things that you can always count one, death, taxes, and the same liberal cliches. You didn't mention racist, sexist, and inhumane shane. Saving those for later?
    You have used far more cliches than me on this board. I never said anything abour racist, sexist or inhumane because there are many Republicans who aren't, and many Democrats who are. Those things are not defined along party lines. And neither is good, evil, generosity or greed. You are the one who seems to believe they are.
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    Certainly its an issue; in my mind, we aided this mess (if not creating it entirely, but that's a different subject), and yes we're liable at least in part.

    As far as condoning it, no, no one is outright saying it was ok, because that would be lunacy. However, we've gone from an active stance on rooting these bastards out to a passive stance where we don't want to offend anybody or God forbid step on the toes of the Saudis.

    Simple fact is, and the entire point of the article regardless of examples used, is that *evil* does exist, and by side-stepping and worrying more about hurt feelings than GETTING THE JOB DONE, we're not helping clean up the mess. We're simply exacerbating it.

    I hate to say it, but its going to take another 9/11 before people might actually wake up and act. But it won't just be two towers. Its going to be New York, or LA, or DC. Or maybe even worse. We don't know what these guys have, or how organized they are even now.

    But that's ok. Europe and the Saudis might be offended.
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    Shane your saying the US is to blame for the planes running into the pentagon and world trade center?

    Btw, what do you mean that conservatives live in a naive world? So if we went to california our eyes would be open to the world? And if we start using our feelings we will see in color?

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    We can never please the Europeans. They think they are too sophisticated to reduce themselves to violence and they think our enemies are way too much the victim to be held accountable for their violence. Saudis? There just as bad as the taliban, they oppress women, hold our citizens hostage, and don't recognize US law. They also paid bin laden $300 million. Now why should we care what the saudis think? But in reality we do need the saudis land if we do strike Iraq. We shouldn't listen to them but I'm afraid we're going to have to, sad but true.

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    Originally posted by PowerManDL
    Certainly its an issue; in my mind, we aided this mess (if not creating it entirely, but that's a different subject), and yes we're liable at least in part.

    As far as condoning it, no, no one is outright saying it was ok, because that would be lunacy. However, we've gone from an active stance on rooting these bastards out to a passive stance where we don't want to offend anybody or God forbid step on the toes of the Saudis.

    Simple fact is, and the entire point of the article regardless of examples used, is that *evil* does exist, and by side-stepping and worrying more about hurt feelings than GETTING THE JOB DONE, we're not helping clean up the mess. We're simply exacerbating it.

    I hate to say it, but its going to take another 9/11 before people might actually wake up and act. But it won't just be two towers. Its going to be New York, or LA, or DC. Or maybe even worse. We don't know what these guys have, or how organized they are even now.

    But that's ok. Europe and the Saudis might be offended.
    Yes. But let me use part of what you are saying in expressing my point. No one wants to piss off the Saudi's. Who is it that doesn't want to piss of the Saudi's? Bush named 3 countries in his "Axis of Evil" and Saudi Arabia wasn't among them. Yet they have been arguably the largest state sponsor of terrorism. So why are they left out? The current administration doesn't want to piss them off for their own self interests and economic reasons. Just as the Clinton Administration didn't either. Understand, when I make a criticism of U.S. foreign policy I am not distinguishing between a Republican or a Democratic administration being in power. I'm criticizing them both. And this is liberal? I liked Clinton no more than I liked Bush. But what many don't realize is they have more in common (not in a positive way) than many who insist about going along with party lines would like to believe.
    The fact is, we have been messing around in that region for decades. We've switched sides, claimed one side was righteous and then turned right around and said they were evil. Do you not see anything wrong with that from an ethical point of view? We help fund the Taliban's rise to power. We helped fund Saddam Hussein. So you see what I'm saying is that we have aided evil regimes. We've done it all over the world. Do we not have to accept any responsibility for that? We could in fact argue that capitalism, as we know it, is evil. It goes beyond survival and becomes greed.
    Besides, we are a young nation with a young history. With many European nations it would be hard to trace who struck first between central Asian states and them. But the U.S. meddled in the Middle East far before the Middle East ever did any wrong to the U.S. Unless you have some historical information I'm missing.
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    Originally posted by TreeTrunks
    Shane your saying the US is to blame for the planes running into the pentagon and world trade center?

    Btw, what do you mean that conservatives live in a naive world? So if we went to california our eyes would be open to the world? And if we start using our feelings we will see in color?
    No. That's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is if you walk into your neighbors house, punch him in the face, and take his beer and you expect him not to return the favor you are mistaken.

    I'm not trying to sit here and tell you I know everything. But I had to study this subject fairly extensively. You're opinions come across as so black and white and the world isn't that way. Neither you nor I get all of the facts. I use every means at my disposal to try to gather facts on the subject. That ranges from books to the internet to professors, journalists, and a former CIA agent, Army Middle East intelligence expert and a Green Beret who has trained some unscrupulous individuals in guerilla warfare. Europeans get many facts and perspectives that we don't and vice versa. And Im' not saying use feelings to make judgements but reason and logic. Feelings have a place but shouldn't be the prime influence in forming opinions. But are you not using anger, which is an emotion, to form your opinions?
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    Originally posted by Shane

    We could in fact argue that capitalism, as we know it, is evil. It goes beyond survival and becomes greed.
    This would be an interesting argument... Someone please explain to me how capitalism and greed are evil...

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    I never get mad in debates, unless they get personal

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    It's going to depend on your philosophical and religious standpoint. Like I've said many times, if someone is of the opinion "it's us against them, ever nation for itself" then I will not argue with them because according to their ideology what nations do (not just the U.S.) can make perfect sense. But when someone starts speaking of good vs. evil or the U.S. as a Christian nation, then there is a great deal of hypocrisy. From a Christian standpoint greed is evil. Is it not? A certain level of greed is necessary for survival. but excessive greed is evil. Look at Jesus as an example. What was part of his preaching? Give to the poor. Do unto others as you'd have done unto you. It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to get into Heaven. Then we have the commandments such as thou shall not steal, thou shall not kill (I believe the direct translation is murder), thou shall not bear false witness...I'm not one for dogmatic interpretation of scripture. But, through verses such as these, could it not be argued that the capitalism can be, and often is, employed in an evil manner?

    Capitalism isn't directly be evil. Neither can marxism. But the method in which they are employed can be.
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    Shane, maybe i'm missing something but how did we go into afghanistans house and punch them?

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    Originally posted by TreeTrunks
    I never get mad in debates, unless they get personal
    That's good because it doesn't make any sense to. The irony is, most of us want the same basic things, we just beleive in different methods to achieve or maintain those. I'm not talking about debates though. When those towers were hit we were all angry and sad. Hell, I was getting dressed to go take a flying lesson and I was watching horrified. This is what I'm speaking of. Letting that emotion run uncontrolled, without reflection, is a dangerous thing. I'm not saying action shouldn't be taken. I'm just saying it should be controled and logical.
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    I guess I have never understood when people have proclaimed that capitalism is bad or evil or whatever other derogatory term one might choose to use. First off, lets look at a definition:

    cap∑i∑tal∑ism
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    An economic system in which the means of production and distribution are privately or corporately owned and development is proportionate to the accumulation and reinvestment of profits gained in a free market.

    I don't see the word 'greed' used in that definition. In fact, I looked at a variety of different definitions and didn't see 'greed' used in any of those either. So, first off, where does 'greed' come into the equation?

    But let's look at the definition of greed too while we are at it:

    greed

    n 1: excessive desire to acquire or possess more (esp material wealth) than one needs or deserves 2: reprehensible acquisitiveness; insatiable desire for wealth (personified as one of the deadly sins)

    So, if greed is the excessive desire to acquire or possess more than one needs or deserves, I guess the first question is - how does one determine that what one desires is necessarily more than what they need or, for that matter, than what they deserve? Greed is a very subjective term to use. One person's idea of greed could be another's idea of poverty.

    The beauty of the system in a freemarket society is that if someone thinks that it is greedy to earn more than $100,000 in a year, than they are welcome to stop their earning potential once they reach it. However, if someone else thinks that in order to properly care for their family and prepare for the future that they need to earn as much as they can while they can, then they are also welcome to do this. In a freemarket society, it is all about the individual and what he or she aspires and works toward. I personally cannot apply the term "evil" to this...

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    Originally posted by TreeTrunks
    Shane, maybe i'm missing something but how did we go into afghanistans house and punch them?
    http://www.american-partisan.com/col.../qtr1/0107.htm

    http://www.left-turn.org/No_War.html

    http://www.newsmax.com/archives/arti...28/95240.shtml

    These are two quick articles. It isn't where I got my opinions sine I'm wary of material found on the net but they are quick, if incomplete, summaries on the Taliban and some of the result of our foreign policy. They are by no means complete. The third link I just threw in to show we are not perfect good guys. If you find errors point them out to me. I'd love to have a similar opinion on the subject as yours is now. Unfortunately, from all the information I've seen I can't do that.

    This was not the first time we messed around in the region. I'm going to ask you both to look up Operation Ajax on Google. This is just another example.

    I'm sorry Treetrunks and Powerman. I realize this seems like a cop out but I have to get to wake up at 5 tomorrow so I can't continue this. I will later though if you wish. Goodnight gentlemen.
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    Ooooh, what fun! Much better than my last attempt to stir up controversy.

    What I took away from the article primarily, were two things. First, (and these generalizations are always problematic, but we'd be completely unable to communicate without them) liberals have a basic inability to deal with objective reality, almost deny that there is such a thing, and deal with the world largely as if it exists the way the see it or want to see it. There's a book by Thomas Sowell on that (I'll find the title) which analyzes the amazing contortions liberals put their minds through to avoid dealing with reality. They can apply perfect logic in business or school situations, but they kind of shut off their logic center when the world doesn't agree with their PC view of how it should be. It's a real Jeckyl and Hyde thing to those of us who see objective reality and deal with the world as it actually exists.

    And second, liberals believe in the basic goodness of humanity and see evil people as either "broken" or "sick" or "the conservative devil made me do it", meaning if they are bad there must be something in society (always caused by conservatives of course, never liberals) which caused them to go awry and therefore they aren't responsible for their actions. That's why so many of them are let out jail two years after raping a child, for example. Conservatives simply cannot fathom why this happens, but to liberals it makes perfect "sense". . .you shouldn't punish someone who is broken, sick or not responsible (in the latter case let's go find someone else to demonize for their actions). I love the point that sociopaths are the natural result of a values-free society.

    The conservative view is basically the religious view (although atheist conservatives believe the same thing, I probably shouldn't bring religion into this) which is man in his natural state is actually evil and society's job it to "civilize" and restrain man through the passing on of commonly held values in educational and other societal institutions. Man's individual consciences must be "formed" by school, family, etcetera. When a sociopath acts inappropriately, they are responsible for their actions and the role of society is to protect the rest of us from the sociopath, not worry about "fixing" him.

    Nothing wrong with the Marxist/capitalist debate, but what thinks everyone about this view of man?

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    i think the entire article is mindless drivel. otherwise knows as propaganda. Right-wing propaganda actually.

    i hope most thinking rational human beings are not so superficial that they get swayed by such simplistic palaver.
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    Tryska, your posts are so inscrutable! Don't beat around the bush, tell us how do you really feel about the article?
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    well if you really wanna know how i feel john...i'll tell ya!

    i think the writer should stick to teachig people how to be doctors, hopefully good doctors, and not try to make simplistic treatises on how evil is created by those people who are to the left of him.

    what a retard.


    i think that about sums it up.
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