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The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness

Itís no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

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    You use a staggered grip on rows?
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    Does "staggered" = over under grip?

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    a staggard grip on rows?

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    Originally posted by Homer
    Does "staggered" = over under grip?
    a staggered grip on rows doesn't make sense if its an over under grip, that's why I'm asking.

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    Originally posted by BigChaseyChase
    You use a staggered grip on rows?

    No. Read that again. I use a staggered grip on deads, not on rows. That was a difference I was noting, along with the hand chalk on my heavy sets for deads.

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    Originally posted by Accipiter
    aaah, I see, I use a staggered grip on rows as well as deads.
    I think he was talking about Accipiter not you Chris.

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    yeah, I switch grip every set though, flip it i mean. If I use a same ways grip for my sets one of my wrists always tweaks out on me.
    Last edited by Accipiter; 11-02-2002 at 05:01 PM.

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    Originally posted by Accipiter
    yeah, I switch grip every set though, flip it i mean. If I use a same ways grip for my sets one of my wrists always tweaks out on me.

    So, it could be said that your no-use of straps has left you with "pussy" wrists, no?

    I am saying this to point out the fallacy of your previous statements, not to make fun of you.

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    Originally posted by Saturday Fever
    I think you and Belial should have a fight but all you can use are your backs.
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    I've been finding here lately that my grip strength is getting *far* outpaced by what my back muscles can handle. I'd be restricting progress across my whole body by not using them.

    the deadlift will be raw soon enough
    Last edited by PowerManDL; 11-02-2002 at 05:10 PM.
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    I wonder if the use of a staggered grip isn't the reason your wrists are "tweaking" out on you.
    I think you would be better off either using the same grip on both hands or using straps if needed.

    Have you ever tried a thumbles grip while doing rows? I've found that my forearms don't give out doing so.

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    Originally posted by chris mason



    So, it could be said that your no-use of straps has left you with "pussy" wrists, no?

    Yeah, he's got mega limp wrist
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    deadlift raw?

    explain ninja.

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    Originally posted by Spawn_X
    deadlift raw?

    explain ninja.
    no straps I think, or nothing assisting him like a weight belt.......
    hardcore

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    I meant that I don't normally use any equipment.....but I'm currently using straps on deads due to the fact that I let my grip work slip lately.

    I'll get some chalk sooner or later, which will hopefully help alleviate the problem along with the grip triaing I've resumed.
    Vin Diesel has a fever.. and the only prescription is more cowbell.

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    Straps are an excellent tool for lifting (pussy forearms not withstanding) I personally use them for deadlifts over 250 lbs. The macho attitude of "I don't need any equipment" is going to get more than a few people on this board injured, and sooner rather than later. I have been in this game a long time, and have never suffered a serious injury due to proper form AND the proper use of equipment ( straps and a belt for my heaviest deadlifts).
    Sure, not using equipment may make you look manly, but you will not look so manly when you are on the operating table with a slipped disc. Bottom line: Equipment, when used properly can greatly extend your lifting life. As for straps "hurting" arm development here are some stats (Bicep=16", forearm=12.75" wrist 6.3) As you can see my forearms are in proportion to my upper arms. If you can do a deadlift (or other lift raw) then by all means do so. But no-one should feel pushed into doing raw lifts, or not use equipment that might prevent an old injury from re-occuring. Do what works for you, and don't worry about others who may or may not be using straps.tuttut
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    If that was directed at me:

    Equipment is not for safety. If you're going to get hurt on a lift, you're going to get hurt. Straps, belts, knee wraps, bench shirts, etc, do nothing for safety. They help provide support to perform the lift, and nothing more.
    Vin Diesel has a fever.. and the only prescription is more cowbell.

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    Extreme i agree with you to a significant extent. There is no doubt in my mind that one should work maximum poundage that is (safely) possible. I do disagree with you on the use on lifting belts (i have never used a belt, even on 1 RM- although i am not) in for reasons power mentioned.
    However, power i do believe in the case of straps, there is a signifcant safety issue in terms of deadlifts or rows. if one is attempting a heavy dead that may exceed grip capacity then there are safety issues related to dropping the bar in an uncontrolled fashion
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    if your grip is hurting your dl, then train grip seperately and use straps to progress in deadlift and such..

    damn, i got 15" arms and 13" forearms.. my forearms were a stinking joke, but thanks to captains of crush i gained an inch and a half.

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    i just have bad wrists, my whole life i have, even before working out. Nothing's really changed them, no exercise strengthens them, there's just something wrong with em.

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    i don't like my wrists either..

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    Originally posted by PowerManDL
    If that was directed at me:

    Equipment is not for safety. If you're going to get hurt on a lift, you're going to get hurt. Straps, belts, knee wraps, bench shirts, etc, do nothing for safety. They help provide support to perform the lift, and nothing more.
    No that was not directed at you personally. I was talking about the people who slam others for using straps. I disagree however, on the safety factor of equipment. The support they provide is a safety factor in itself. Until I started using belts I could not do heavy deadlifts without experiencing pain in my lower back. Now I am using poundages in excess of 100 lbs over my belt-free deadlifts and experience no pain, other than a little soreness. BTW if equipment is not for safety, why do corporations like Wal-Mart (among others) instruct their employees to wear lifting belts when lifting heavy objects? Granted if one doesn't know how to use the equipment, then one is going to get hurt. However if one uses the equipment properly, then I feel the potential for serious injury is greatly reduced.

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    Famers Walk...plaing and simple. Grab t2o heavy dumbbells and walk with them as for as you can. When they drop pick them back up and walk some more!!!

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    How can someone say straps are for safety? Let's think of this...dropping the weight is a good thing if you are pulling too much for your body. Being strapped to a weight that is too much for you to pull is a bad thing. You can drop a weight dangerously regardless if you are strapped in or not. Generally you know when your grip is going to fail so I doubt it would surprise you and land on anything important.

    As for a weight belt, sure it can help some, but it isn't truly required. You cannot compare weightlifters to wal-mart employees. Unless these wal-mart employees are all weight lifters, who understand that strong abs and posterior chain are an excellent substitute for a weight training belt.

    I will use straps on some exercises, but I'm not fooled into thinking they are making the exercise any safer. I would think it's rather the opposite, and probably the same for most other so called "support" equipment. Perhaps many get a false sense of security with this equipment and as a result cause themselves injury. There's only so much support an elastic band, or piece of cloth or leather can truly offer when lifting heavy weight.
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