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    Quote Originally Posted by Manveet
    As long as they are not books about creation "science"
    I'm gonna get some by the most nasty, hardcore liberals I can find. Preferably one written by a woman with at least a hyphenated last name as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrelwooddowd
    I'm gonna get some by the most nasty, hardcore liberals I can find. Preferably one written by a woman with at least a hyphenated last name as well.
    lol

    On a serious note, I suggest anything written by Richard Dawkins.
    "It is often said, mainly by the "no-contests", that although there is no positive evidence for the existence of God, nor is there evidence against his existence. So it is best to keep an open mind and be agnostic. At first sight that seems an unassailable position, at least in the weak sense of Pascal's wager. But on second thought it seems a cop-out, because the same could be said of Father Christmas and tooth fairies. There may be fairies at the bottom of the garden. There is no evidence for it, but you can't prove that there aren't any, so shouldn't we be agnostic with respect to fairies?"

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    "Out of all of the sects in the world, we notice an uncanny coincidence: the overwhelming majority just happen to choose the one that their parents belong to. Not the sect that has the best evidence in its favour, the best miracles, the best moral code, the best cathedral, the best stained glass, the best music: when it comes to choosing from the smorgasbord of available religions, their potential virtues seem to count for nothing, compared to the matter of heredity. This is an unmistakable fact; nobody could seriously deny it. Yet people with full knowledge of the arbitrary nature of this heredity, somehow manage to go on believing in their religion, often with such fanaticism that they are prepared to murder people who follow a different one."


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    Quote Originally Posted by Manveet
    lol

    On a serious note, I suggest anything written by Richard Dawkins.
    Does he write about evolutionary theories? From what I know of him, he's an outspoken athiest. I don't really want anything overly biased to one side or the other.

    I'm not looking for anything specifically on Creation vs Evolution. I just want some literature on Evolution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrelwooddowd
    Does he write about evolutionary theories? From what I know of him, he's an outspoken athiest. I don't really want anything overly biased to one side or the other.

    I'm not looking for anything specifically on Creation vs Evolution. I just want some literature on Evolution.
    He is slanted, but almost every individual writing on this topic is going to be slanted one way or the other. You could always read a selection from each side of the debate, and draw your own conclusions.

    Here's an excerpt from "The Blind Watchmaker"

    http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0393...3D#reader-link
    "It is often said, mainly by the "no-contests", that although there is no positive evidence for the existence of God, nor is there evidence against his existence. So it is best to keep an open mind and be agnostic. At first sight that seems an unassailable position, at least in the weak sense of Pascal's wager. But on second thought it seems a cop-out, because the same could be said of Father Christmas and tooth fairies. There may be fairies at the bottom of the garden. There is no evidence for it, but you can't prove that there aren't any, so shouldn't we be agnostic with respect to fairies?"

    Richard Dawkins


    "Out of all of the sects in the world, we notice an uncanny coincidence: the overwhelming majority just happen to choose the one that their parents belong to. Not the sect that has the best evidence in its favour, the best miracles, the best moral code, the best cathedral, the best stained glass, the best music: when it comes to choosing from the smorgasbord of available religions, their potential virtues seem to count for nothing, compared to the matter of heredity. This is an unmistakable fact; nobody could seriously deny it. Yet people with full knowledge of the arbitrary nature of this heredity, somehow manage to go on believing in their religion, often with such fanaticism that they are prepared to murder people who follow a different one."


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    Quote Originally Posted by Manveet
    He is slanted, but almost every individual writing on this topic is going to be slanted one way or the other. You could always read a selection from each side of the debate, and draw your own conclusions.

    Here's an excerpt from "The Blind Watchmaker"

    http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0393...3D#reader-link
    I'm checking out your link..

    As long as he isn't overly-slanted, I don't mind. I'm not a sheep, thank God (hmm)..
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    Isn't Richard Dawkins the guy that I read about in the paper recently? One of the big-name atheists admitted that he could no longer deny the possibility of God, and all the other ones were pissed at him. His name sounds familiar..
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrelwooddowd
    Isn't Richard Dawkins the guy that I read about in the paper recently? One of the big-name atheists admitted that he could no longer deny the possibility of God, and all the other ones were pissed at him. His name sounds familiar..
    No, he is not.

    The individual you are referring to is dead. He was a long time atheist who became a deist.
    "It is often said, mainly by the "no-contests", that although there is no positive evidence for the existence of God, nor is there evidence against his existence. So it is best to keep an open mind and be agnostic. At first sight that seems an unassailable position, at least in the weak sense of Pascal's wager. But on second thought it seems a cop-out, because the same could be said of Father Christmas and tooth fairies. There may be fairies at the bottom of the garden. There is no evidence for it, but you can't prove that there aren't any, so shouldn't we be agnostic with respect to fairies?"

    Richard Dawkins


    "Out of all of the sects in the world, we notice an uncanny coincidence: the overwhelming majority just happen to choose the one that their parents belong to. Not the sect that has the best evidence in its favour, the best miracles, the best moral code, the best cathedral, the best stained glass, the best music: when it comes to choosing from the smorgasbord of available religions, their potential virtues seem to count for nothing, compared to the matter of heredity. This is an unmistakable fact; nobody could seriously deny it. Yet people with full knowledge of the arbitrary nature of this heredity, somehow manage to go on believing in their religion, often with such fanaticism that they are prepared to murder people who follow a different one."


    Richard Dawkins


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    Quote Originally Posted by Manveet
    No, he is not.

    The individual you are referring to is dead. He was a long time atheist who became a deist.
    I probably read an artice when he died, and they mentioned it in there.
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