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The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness

It’s no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

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    tri definition

    i'm 6-4 with long arms, and i can't do overhead tri execises 'cause (no matter the weight) they tweak the tendons in my elbows. for tri's i do this:

    - dips with weight (just started doing these)
    - rope pull-down extension (standing)
    - hands-close-together bench-press.

    will this be enough to develop my tri's, especially the back of them(that is, the long head)?

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    You can't work any single part of the triceps, but yes, those exercises will work your triceps just fine.

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    yup. Why not do skulls?

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    thanks for the replies. what are skulls?

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    Like tricep extension but laying down on a bench. You bring the bar to your forhead and back up, hence the name skull crusher. Bending the elbows and arms perpendicular to your body But if your having problem with your tendons I would think this would put you in a similar situation. Who nows maybe differant angle would work.
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    Originally posted by arie_ben_pesach
    thanks for the replies. what are skulls?
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    Just a curious probe. I understand you can't work a region of a peticular muscle more then another. But for the tricep it is 1 muscle made out of three heads... (unless I am wrong) Why could you not put more emphasis on one or the other?? Kinda like the 3 heads on of your delts... (I know delts are slightly different...)
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    Not sure. I was doing close grips and kickback. Then switched to lying tricep extension and dropped close grips for awhile. I don't know if it was a coincidence. But I gained alot of definition in my lower triceps. I don't think my bf changed much. I was overtraing too, I was an arm kick. Maybe it was just timing and started to show then. Anyone else?
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    Tris are probably my favorite muscle to work, and i get compliments galore on them Anyway, here is one of my tri workouts

    Reverse Narrow Grip Benches (4x6-8)
    Kickbacks (3x6x8)
    Standing Tri Extensions (3x6-8)
    Here is a tri pic
    Last edited by The_Chicken_Daddy; 11-10-2002 at 08:38 AM.
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    French presses are great! I wouldn't get my arms too close to my head. Sounds kinda awkward the way duque described.

    Skulls are basically lying down french presses, no real difference there, they are both great tri builders.

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    You cannot target a specific region of a muscle D21. You have been told this many many times, and yet you come on here and continue to force-feed us this nonsense?tuttut
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    I have a question for ExtremeAnabolic.
    If you can't emphasize any particular area of a muscle(group) then may I ask you this. If a weight trainer did ONLY Flat Bench presses for lets say 3 years and puts ohhh 3lbs. of muscle in that area and never did any incline work whatsoever, would his chest have the same appearance if he had incorporated both INCLINES and FLAT work during that same time period.
    If you say Yes then I ask you, Why does EVERYONE and probably yourself do BOTH Flat benches AND Incline Benches. Why not just do 8 sets of flats then?

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    Firestorm look up some anatomy of the chest sometime. There is a pectoralis major and minor. The minor is more on the upper section of the chest and is behind the pectoralis major. Inclines tend to hit this muscle (minor) more then flat. That is why you tend to find inclines to fill in your upper chest more. Aside from that I believe and it is generally believed (not to say that makes it absolutly right) that you can not emphasize on section of a single muscle. Some "muscles" you an tho. Like sholders but those are made up for separate muscles and they preform totally different functions. That is why you can isolate them.
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    Hey thanx for deleting my post...whom ever it was who could not tolorate some uique opinions.

    And second..well I hope you all make continual gains year after year doing the same movements(you know since every exercise is as good as the next right)

    I dont even want to start with you guys.

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    About my previous post.... must have been in a bad mood that post came out sounding condecending sorry about the tone
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    Originally posted by GonePostal
    About my previous post.... must have been in a bad mood that post came out sounding condecending sorry about the tone
    Yeah it was pretty condescending. Try a dose of humility before you put others down, especially those who may have more experience then you.

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    My guess why you can't really isolate one head over the others is that you got three heads sharing the same insertion point.

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    To hear just about everyone's thoughts on working the "upper" and "lower" chest, please refer to this post...

    http://www.wannabebigforums.com/show...?threadid=4730

    Thanks Hulk
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    Originally posted by firestorm
    I have a question for ExtremeAnabolic.
    If you can't emphasize any particular area of a muscle(group) then may I ask you this. If a weight trainer did ONLY Flat Bench presses for lets say 3 years and puts ohhh 3lbs. of muscle in that area and never did any incline work whatsoever, would his chest have the same appearance if he had incorporated both INCLINES and FLAT work during that same time period.
    If you say Yes then I ask you, Why does EVERYONE and probably yourself do BOTH Flat benches AND Incline Benches. Why not just do 8 sets of flats then?

    First of all, everyone does NOT do both flat benches and incline benches. When you make sweeping statements like that, they are bound to be wrong. I have not done incline benches in many years, nor have several of my long time weight training friends. Check my journal if you want to know what I do. As for the weight trainer question, yes it is possible for his chest to have the same appearence. The upper part of my chest is not that shabby, and I have done no incline work for a long time. As a final note on that, I noticed an improvement when I dropped incline work, (although to be honest that was probably because at the time I was overtraining).
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    Dr. Fred Hatfield says you can isolate different parts of your chest. I'm going to have to agree with the good doctor
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    Is Hatfield a real doctor? And where did he get his PHd from? As people on this site are so fond of reminding me, credentials mean nothing.

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    Hatfield is a real doctor. He also holds the worlds squat record. He is a three time world powerlifting champion, and he has served as the national coach of the U.S powerlifting team. His education you ask? well he's got a Bachelor of Science degree in health, physical education & recreation, a master os sciece in sports science, and a Ph.D from Temple University.


    why should I believe a pseudo weightlifter like you over Hatfield? Point is creditinals mean a LOT. Would you ask a marathon runner advice on a bulking diet? No! why? Cause he has no experience in that field. I would not expect people to take my advice over Hatfield's either since I don't have the knowledge or the real world application as he does. Nor do I have the time to learn everything he knows.
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    Make sure you are clearly understanding what he's saying.
    Squats work better than supplements.
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    Somebody have a link to where Hatfield discusses isolating different parts of a muscle?

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    Originally posted by Delphi
    Somebody have a link to where Hatfield discusses isolating different parts of a muscle?
    Good question. I would like to read this as well.
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    NAte is exactly right." - Tryska

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