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The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness

Itís no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

By: Nick Tumminello Added: January 6th, 2014
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    When cutting how do you avoid muscle loss?

    I notice everytime I cut I lose what seems to be almost as much muscle as I do fat. How can I avoid losing muscle while cutting or should I just bulk up as much as possible for as long as possible assuming that ill lose around 30% of my muscle mass after I cut?


    Thats the only problem I have with cutting, when I cut it seems to take me backwards, i feel weaker, less muscle, just generally smaller and slightly more toned.

    Also is cutting dangerous? I'd think because I felt so weak when I did and I wasnt at an extremely low bf % that some of these people who cut down to below 10% could be really screwing up their bodies.

    Anyone have advice on the PROPER way to cut? How do you know when to stop cutting? I expect to lose about 2lbs a week if i'm doing it right but I end up feeling so weak after a month or two of it.

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    The slower you cut the less muscle loss. Some people have a harder time with this than others. I, for example, can't hold to muscle mass if I do cardio and reduce calories below 3000 a day. Next cutting fase I'm shooting for a weight loss of one pound per week at the most.

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    Maybe I have bad genetics, I build muscle fast and i lose it even faster.

    Also theres no way I can get 3000 calories a day, and when I cut I sometimes get 1000 calories a day or less depending on how much food I have at the time.

    Is this a metabolism issue or an I cutting the wrong way?


    I can lose 1lb a week, the problem is with every lb i lose, i feel alittle bit weaker. I dont even need to do cardio at all, I dont think that has anything to do with cutting, if i dont eat right for just one day I begin to get weak and lose weight, cardio isnt even required, IF i do cardio it actually makes me lose weight way too fast and thats not what I want.

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    How do you guys manage to get 3000 calories in per day? Should I buy some of that weight gaining high calorie high fat mix they sell in stores and drink it each day? I dont see how i could ever get 3000 calories in with real food because I cant eat that much or dont have enough time.

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    How do you bulk then? I get 4500 kcals from real food a day and I'm not complaining. 1000 kcals a day? Are you sure? How much do you weight? That sounds like starvation mode to me.

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    I bulk due to timing of my meals not the total amount of calories.

    I eat before lifting, during or right after lifting i get in a whey protien shake, after lifting a high carb high protien meal, usually fish and fries, then I take a nap because I'm tired.

    I wake up, I drink some type of high GI juice like orange juice or coke/pepsi, and I'm set.

    I bulk up by timing my meals and it works, I dont really have alot of money so I cannot afford 4500 calories a day, what I do is on the days I'm lifting I just eat as much protien, fat and cals as I can during the time I know I need it, usually I make gains, i'm sure these arent the biggest gains possible but considering I dont have any money its good enough.

    I'm around 190-200lbs, yes 1000 calories a day or somewhere in between that and 1500, average 3 meals a day would be like

    Breakfast usually I get around 250 calories maybe 300 tops, lunch I get another 250-300 calories, Dinner I get another 400 - 500 calories.

    So I get usually 1000-1500 calories a day.

    Theres no way I could get 3000 calories a day because I simply cannot afford to eat 6 meals a day, and my stomach cannot handle 6 meals a day, not to mention i dont have time for 6 meals a day.

    I understand that I might be in starvation mode but somehow I manage to bulk in this mode. So the solution is to get more calories? I think I need to buy some weight gain mix or something. Perhaps I will look into it.

    What are some very high calorie foods I can eat that are somewhat light and quick?

    Mc donalds is high calorie but their food almost makes me get sick. Coke and Pepsi is high calorie but its also high GI and thats bad.

    Whats a good high calorie high fat low GI food to eat thats somewhat light so i dont have to eat super huge portions.

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    Well,I understand the money thing. after the grocery bill I have very little money for anything else.

    I think your question has been answered. We avoid muscle loss by not reducing calories to the levels you do. Just that.

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    ok so how can I get calories up? I dont really reduce it on purpose, but I'm always busy. Also I'm in college, so I have to worry about price over everything else.

    What is your average meal like and how many per day?

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    This a typical non workout day meal plan.

    9 - 120g brown rice and 200 g beef.
    11 - Fruit, usually apples.
    13- Lunch- This depends on what's available, usually it's something along the lines of 30p/40-50c/30 fat. Always meat based.
    15- Fruit.
    16- 3 whole eggs, 9 egg whites (all boiled), 12-15 walnuts, one tablespoon olive oil and another coconut oil.
    17-more fruit.
    19 30- 120-150 gr of whole pasta and 200 gr beef.
    22 One can of sardines in tomato, steamed veggies, 1.5-2 tablespoons of cod liver oil and maybe some creamed coconut.

    This adds up to 4500 Kcals around 230p/350c/220f or something along these lines. On training days I have a pre-post workout drink, a protein and fat shake during the afternoon, white rice and pasta for carbs and either chicken or turkey as protein source.

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    interesting

    so what this means is, if i keep eating like i do eventually my muscle loss will stop and i'll just be in maintance mode, from here I reduce about 500 calories and I'm losing fat.

    So basically this is what I'm doing now, although I do think i want to raise my calories a bit so i can have more muscle mass, currently i'm the same weight between 200-195 give or take.

    My problem is i'm losing alittle too fast so I guess i have to pace it so its no more than 1lb a week.


    THAT is difficult. But i know what I must do, I'm going to need to count every single calorie and the easiest way to do this is just to eat the same exact meals each day for a few months.

    So I'm 195-200lbs now and 5ft9, which is a pretty good weight, my best weight would be around 175, so I can cut maybe 15-20lbs of fat.

    This would mean at 5lbs a month 3 months of cutting.

    April-May-June so by June i'd be done cutting.

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    Originally posted by Lucian
    Maybe I have bad genetics, I build muscle fast and i lose it even faster.

    Also theres no way I can get 3000 calories a day, and when I cut I sometimes get 1000 calories a day or less depending on how much food I have at the time.

    Is this a metabolism issue or an I cutting the wrong way?


    I can lose 1lb a week, the problem is with every lb i lose, i feel alittle bit weaker. I dont even need to do cardio at all, I dont think that has anything to do with cutting, if i dont eat right for just one day I begin to get weak and lose weight, cardio isnt even required, IF i do cardio it actually makes me lose weight way too fast and thats not what I want.
    are you kidding me? Cutting is the hardest to keep the calories low. I could eat 5,000 cals in a meal no problem......
    hardcore

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    What meal could you possibly eat thats 5000 calories? Mc donalds meal supersized is still only 1000 calories and this kinda meal fills me up all day, I'd have to eat 3 of these just to get a days worth of calories and 5 of these is just out of range

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    You must only be eating a Quarter Pounder then.

    A #4 value meal, which is the Double Quarter Pounder has 700+ calories in the burger, 400 calories in the medium fries (more like 600 if you supersize it), and if you get regular Coke instead of diet, about 150 calories (more like 350 if you supersize it).

    So if you're supersizing, and getting the real Coke instead of Diet, you're looking at almost 1700 calories. Eat that for lunch, and pick up a Hostess Apple Pie for desert (500 calories), and you've sucked down 2300 calories in a 20 minute sitting.

    You've grossly underestimated the calories of your supersized value meal. Remember, the smallest iteration of fries is now a Medium, not a small. And the new Medium, is the old Large (from the 1980s).

    When I go to MacDonald's, I order a Medium #4 (again, that's the smallest size) with a Diet Coke, and that is about 1100 calories.

    If you're truly supersizing, then you're consuming more than you think, and even moreso if you snag a desert.

    ** Disclaimer: not that I recommend any of the above listed foods!

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    Originally posted by Majestic


    ** Disclaimer: not that I recommend any of the above listed foods!
    This sentence saved you a lot of trouble.

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    Why not? damn good bulking food...

    And 1000 cals a day? I'd shrivel away and die. I cut at something like 3000. And I still lose some muscle at that.
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    I'm guessing he's not counting his calories correctly.

    I can't think of any meal as small as 333 calories (multiplied by three to equal basically 1000)

    If you're having your average bowl of cereal, you're looking at 500 cals, depending on how much milk & cereal you use. (I don't personally know anyone who thinks 1 cup of cereal is a serving....it's more like 2 or 3 cups for me). If you have a 12 oz. glass of orange juice with it, you're consuming an additional 180 cals or so.

    That puts you up at almost 700 before 8am. And I'm just making up the cereal thing, since that can be a typical breakfast for many people.

    There are people who have, bacon, waffles, etc. It would be very easy to consume 1000 at breakfast alone. IF you have 2 Everything bagels w/ cream cheese you're looking at around 800 cals.....WITHOUT ANYTHING TO DRINK! (I'm not talking those pansie-*ss store-bought Lenders bagels, but real bagels from a bagel shop).

    Lucian, I can completely agree with your amazement at consuming 5,000 a day. I would have to put some effort into that myself. But 3000 can happen almost by accident if you're eating "unclean" foods.

    Why don't you buy a jar of Natural peanut butter, and eat it with a spoon? 2 precisely-flat tablespoonfulls is going to contain 200 cals.

    (I want to apologize for being off the topic, which is Cutting, but your 1000 cals a day remark has me worried and baffled. Just trying to help)

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    Also theres no way I can get 3000 calories a day, and when I cut I sometimes get 1000 calories a day or less depending on how much food I have at the time.
    There's one of your issues. Starving is the fastest way to lose weight...it's also what will cause you to lose muscle. So yah, I'd say you are cutting the wrong way.
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    Yeah....eat more than 3 meals a day.
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    I know the exact amount of calories I have in a meal, 500 caloris for serial? I should eat that more often then?

    I eat a toasters scambler thing, it has about 300(if i eat 2) or so calories and a glass of juice which is about 150 or so more.

    This is if have time for breakfast, usually i skip breakfast due ot lack of time.

    Lunch is usually a sandwich and around 500 - 600 calories

    dinner is another 500-600 calories.

    Its easier than you think to eat only 1000 calories in a day. Just be in a rush and skip breakfast and eat a small lunch and you'll most likely get 1000 cals in a day.

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    ShaoLin I dont have many options since I'm too poor to buy my own food, I eat whats there, and sometimes nothing is there.

    So what are the options for high cal food thats either VERY VERY cheap, and very light,

    Mc donalds is not cheap or light, I cannot eat a double quarter pounder, medium fries, and drink a giant coke and somehow expect to eat again that day, that kinda meal is heavy enough to fill me up for the whole day.

    Now if it were something really small and light, yes it would be easy to eat,

    Mc donalds is not all that cheap either, I suppose I could go to mc donalds and eat that instead of a sandwich each day.

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    Majestic my average breakfast is OJ (yes its around 150 cals) and something like toast, or oatmeal, both which seem to have around 150 calories.

    By the way Majestic, I do eat peanut butter all the time, but 200 calories is not really alot of calories unless you eat this 6 times in a day.

    3000 calories I'm not saying I couldnt do it, the problem is, I dont buy the food, so if theres CHEAP food that I can buy that has alot of calories name some of them?

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    Well, since your goal is to eat clean, I don't recommend McDonald's anyway. Scrub the cereal...get rid of that toaster stroodle or whatever it is you eat.

    Buy some packs of tuna, oatmeal, and some whole wheat pasta or whole wheat bread. Get some natural peanut butter. This stuff can last you for awhile and it's pretty cheap.

    There's lots of stuff out there, can do some research. Topic has been discussed on the board a bit.
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    Peanut butter and Tuna while cutting? That sounds like what you eat while bulking.

    Right now I have some peanut butter, actually a few jars, I have no tuna however so I suppose I need to buy some of that, and Ive got pasta but i dont really know if its whole wheat or not.
    Bread I have plenty of.

    I will try eating 2 slices of whole wheat bread with peeanut butter and oatmeal for breakfast, along with a glass of juice, IF i ever have time to make breakfast.

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    Originally posted by Lucian
    Peanut butter and Tuna while cutting? That sounds like what you eat while bulking.

    Right now I have some peanut butter, actually a few jars, I have no tuna however so I suppose I need to buy some of that, and Ive got pasta but i dont really know if its whole wheat or not.
    Bread I have plenty of.

    I will try eating 2 slices of whole wheat bread with peeanut butter and oatmeal for breakfast, along with a glass of juice, IF i ever have time to make breakfast.
    Peanut butter and tuna are great for cutting and bulking, if your in college dont they have a cafeteria? i mean they usually sell food that is low on the health scale but 1000cals a day is not healthy.

    I suggest you do something like this and take in around 2000cals a day depending on your age/height/weight. if the cafeteria is not an option get a job, plenty of people in college have jobs, im at university and i still have a job working 6 days a week 6pm till 10pm on top of my uni work, working out and socialising, you have to make time for yourself.

    Im not having a dig at you but you seem to have come across with the wrong attitude. we need some more info about you, as of yet we dont have a clue how you train, stats etc... provide some and we will be able to help you some more.

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