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The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness

Itís no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

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    Got Muscle, but no Strength

    I have been lifting for about a year, then i quit at the end of last summer cause college, i was worried about that and wanted to get through. I am now in the groove of things, i want to start to lift again.

    Here is my problem, as stated in my title, i have a fair amount of muscle for an 18 year old, but i have no strength, none at all. I have 16 inch arms large legs, good size pecs, but i have no strength at all.
    What is wrong with me, am i retarded, or am i just a retard.

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    What are your lifts and stats? How do you know your not strong?

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    How exactly are you gauging (sp?) strength?
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    I want to know this as well, please answer the question above before suggestions can be given.

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    I know this cause my max bench is like 185 at like 2 reps and 1 set, i can barly curl 30 pounds 10 times , the only thing i can think of is why is cause i havent stayed with the same rountine with in the whole year, i changed routines about 3 times. Also my shoulders i can barly get through 15 pounds at 15 reps and 3 sets. Maybe my neuro system isn't working right

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    huh?
    wuts ur bf% at?
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    You have to train for strength if you want to get strong.

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    Note: Before reading this, realize that I might be completely wrong, and should any experts feel the need to flame my ass for misinformation, go ahead, I'm not 100% sure of anything.

    I'd have to go with saying that you've probably got a lot of sarcoplasmic hypertrophy going on. Maybe your routines have more in common with 'muscle spinning' than anything else. What rep range do you work in mostly? To quote Pavel Tsatsouline....

    "There are two typles of muscle growth. Myofibrillar hypertrophy, or 'real' muscle growth, is the enlargement of the muscle fiber as it gains more myofibrials, things which contract and generate tension. The muscle gets tronger, and harder. Myofibrillar hyptertrophy is accomplished by training with heavy weights.

    Sarcoplasmic hypertrophy, on the other hand, is a worthless increase in the volume of the muscle cell fluid as a result of high rep training. The fluid, sarcoplasm, accounts for 25-30% of the muscle's size.

    Mitochondria, the 'power plants' of the cell, which, when well developed, make up 20-30% of the msucle's size also grow from high reps. The same applies to capillaries: an early 80s study found twice as many capillaries per muscle fiber in elite bodybuilders than in normal subjects!

    Needless to say, building things like capillaries or increasing cell fluid volume is form above the function. I have no respect for that."

    Anyway, that's what Pavel says. My own newbie opinion would reccomend doing low reps, high sets, lots of compound movements. Maybe keep rep range under 5, and keeps sets around 10-15, not training to failure.

    Feel free to flame me if I'm stupid. (which I am)

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    seanilles you blow my mind

    weakling: just start working out again and you will get strength back, your muscles are flabby and weak after that long break

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    There are any number of possibilities: could be bad leverages(e.g. long limbs, muscle insertion points, etc), neurological efficiency issues, the tempo/form you're using, how many reps you're doing, etc.

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    Originally posted by seanilles
    Note: Before reading this, realize that I might be completely wrong, and should any experts feel the need to flame my ass for misinformation, go ahead, I'm not 100% sure of anything.

    I'd have to go with saying that you've probably got a lot of sarcoplasmic hypertrophy going on. Maybe your routines have more in common with 'muscle spinning' than anything else. What rep range do you work in mostly? To quote Pavel Tsatsouline....

    "There are two typles of muscle growth. Myofibrillar hypertrophy, or 'real' muscle growth, is the enlargement of the muscle fiber as it gains more myofibrials, things which contract and generate tension. The muscle gets tronger, and harder. Myofibrillar hyptertrophy is accomplished by training with heavy weights.

    Sarcoplasmic hypertrophy, on the other hand, is a worthless increase in the volume of the muscle cell fluid as a result of high rep training. The fluid, sarcoplasm, accounts for 25-30% of the muscle's size.

    Mitochondria, the 'power plants' of the cell, which, when well developed, make up 20-30% of the msucle's size also grow from high reps. The same applies to capillaries: an early 80s study found twice as many capillaries per muscle fiber in elite bodybuilders than in normal subjects!

    Needless to say, building things like capillaries or increasing cell fluid volume is form above the function. I have no respect for that."

    Anyway, that's what Pavel says. My own newbie opinion would reccomend doing low reps, high sets, lots of compound movements. Maybe keep rep range under 5, and keeps sets around 10-15, not training to failure.

    Feel free to flame me if I'm stupid. (which I am)

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    Damn Sean, that was interesting. Maybe I can learn to like you. Has anyone else heard of this before, any comments on this?

    "Sarcoplasmic hypertrophy, on the other hand, is a worthless increase in the volume of the muscle cell fluid as a result of high rep training. The fluid, sarcoplasm, accounts for 25-30% of the muscle's size."

    I'm wondering why this is worthless, and how is it that high reps can actually effect completely different parts of the muscle cell then low rep training would? And who is this Pavel Tsatsouline fellow? And how do they get the caramilk into the caramilk bar?
    "The only sin which we never forgive in each other is difference of opinion."
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    Thanks for the imput fellews, it helps me out
    I lifted last night, it was leg night, i did all right, i am doing 2 sets and some 3 sets with 10 reps. I am using medium heavy weight, just enough to get me strugling at the 7th rep.

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    not to put u down or flame, but i would wonder what u consider big/muscular? i mean can u compare your size to someone who has posted a pic in this forum? or even better post a pic of yourself.

    i know many people that have 16" arms, ripped and fat, they both measure 16....anyways again im not putting u down, just curious.
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    Pavel is an excercise physiologist from the old Soviet Union. The guy is really big on isolation movements. He's the guy who recommends Janda crunches for abdominal isolation amongst other things to counteract the Davis law.
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    Your probably a fat ass who's been told he has muscle all of his life so buy a book and learn how to lift or read more on this board. If u have 16"arms and can't curl 30lbs somethings seriously wrong I have 17" arms and I can curl 135 for a strict ass set of 8 and I don't consider myself to be a very strong person and i'm only 21.

    Not to come off as a dick but try and find somebody in the gym whos knows what he is doing to try and help you because u need it. I remember when I first started at 17 I had 14" arms if that and was curling at least 65lbs for 8.
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    LOL, Big Poppa thats kinda harsh, get your BF checked or put a pic up and we can judge you. Seriously though, its hard to imagine someone with big muscles being a total weakling.
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    Originally posted by BIG POPPA PUMP
    Your probably a fat ass who's been told he has muscle all of his life so buy a book and learn how to lift or read more on this board. If u have 16"arms and can't curl 30lbs somethings seriously wrong I have 17" arms and I can curl 135 for a strict ass set of 8 and I don't consider myself to be a very strong person and i'm only 21.

    Not to come off as a dick but try and find somebody in the gym whos knows what he is doing to try and help you because u need it. I remember when I first started at 17 I had 14" arms if that and was curling at least 65lbs for 8.
    I'm pretty sure he means 30 lb DUMBBELLS. Think about it before you bash him .

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    I'm not so sure he said he can't DB press 15lbs for 15 reps my friends 105lb chic can do that. I do apologize for coming off as a dick keep with it one day myabe you can press them 20's
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    ectx: Pavel is an excercise physiologist from the old Soviet Union. The guy is really big on isolation movements. He's the guy who recommends Janda crunches for abdominal isolation amongst other things to counteract the Davis law.
    ECTX, you could not be MORE wrong. Pavel beleives that all isolation movements are absolute garbage. How much of his works have you read? Pavel beleives the most efficient routine to consist of the deadlift, and the side press, in fact, allow me to quote directly from his first book, Power to the People


    "When you use dumbbells, you control the weight in 3-D. The barbell eliminates one degree of freedom: you cannot move your hands in or out on the bar until you let go of the weight. A machine restricts you to one plane of movement. Your stabalizing muscles get no workout because the machine is doing their job. When you get back to the real world where you have to control your weights, you will expose yourself to an injury in the planes of movement you have not strengthened. Besides, you will not be able to use most of your strength. Your nervoius system will shove a brick under your gas pedal when it realizes that the sabalizing muscles are not up to the job. using the strength built on exercise machines and isolation movements is like shooting a cannon from a canoe.

    In addition to the acute injuries you are asking for, if you try to test your machine built strength in the field, you will be building up micro-trauma for future problems. 'The more fixed the object, the more likey you are to develop a pattern overload,' explains Paul Chek. 'Training in a fixed pathway repetitively loads the same muscles, tendons, ligaments, and joints in the same pattern, encouraging microtrauma which eventually leads to injury." Compound that risk with the difficulty of lining up your joints with the machines's axis. Machines were built for an 'average person'--and I am yet to meet one.

    In the Soviet nation's single minded drive to succeeed in the Olymnpics, no effort or expense was spared to advance sports science. Yet the Russkies' training facilities look like a junk yard with plenty of ugly barbells, intimidatingly big plates, and not much else. The evil ones know that free weights are the most natural, versatile, safest, effective, and efficient training tool. Do you?"

    Ectx, the only isolation movement Pavel espouses is the Janda situp, since scientifically it is proven that in normal crunches, you're just giving your hip flexors a great workout.

    Before spewing a bunch of bull****, get your facts straight, jackass.

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    Yeah go to 8-10 reps at heavier weights. You aren't weak. Yes im afraid you are retarded though...

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    By the way ectx, Pavel Tsatsouline, and Dr. Hatfield (dr. squat) are very tight, and supposedly, when I called Dragon Door, he was going to write a forward for the new update of Supertraining by Siff. Those guys just LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVE isolation movements and machines.

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    Originally posted by seanilles

    Ectx, the only isolation movement Pavel espouses is the Janda situp, since scientifically it is proven that in normal crunches, you're just giving your hip flexors a great workout.

    Before spewing a bunch of bull****, get your facts straight, jackass.
    Who you calling a Jackass you dipsh*t!?!

    ...nah, you're right...all I know and have read about Pavel is about Janda's...so I kind of made an ass of myself by assuming that was his idea about everything else. Hey...at least I got that part right *LOL* Thanks for clarifying that for me. Seriously.
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    Hehehe, no worries man. By the way, when I called you a jackass and stuff, I meant it half in jest. Well, actually I didn't, but I'll say I did to make myself feel better about being an asshole!

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    Well there is some stuff that i will Take to HEART, thanks to others and no thanks to others. I am just a rookie and was asking for a little insight, excuse me for asking. I have never been good at anything, so i am trying to lift again to give it one more chance, but i don't know anymore.

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    Originally posted by ericg
    not to put u down or flame, but i would wonder what u consider big/muscular? i mean can u compare your size to someone who has posted a pic in this forum? or even better post a pic of yourself.

    i know many people that have 16" arms, ripped and fat, they both measure 16....anyways again im not putting u down, just curious.
    its a valid question

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