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The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness

Itís no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

By: Nick Tumminello Added: January 6th, 2014
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  1. #1
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    squatting hurts knees

    What do I tell all those people who tell me that squatting is bad for your knees, specifically when you go below parallel?
    hmmmmmmm... will i ever be big enough?

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    Tell them they are incorrect. Bad form hurts knees.
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    Ya, what paul said.

    but

    Why do you need to tell them anything at all? Just squat. If it hurts thme or you, refer to Pauls answer.
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    I hear this all the time with clients. It's perpetuated by misguided family physicians. I ask "So how do you go to the bathroom?"

    If you can squat to "do your business" without knee pain you can learn to squat properly in the gym without knee pain.

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    "If you can squat to "do your business" without knee pain you can learn to squat properly in the gym without knee pain."

    WRONG!!!!
    I can squat to take a dump fine and some time thats hurts. My knees hurt when I do squats and it prevents me from geting good form. I know how to hold good form during a squat but for some people they have pains and conditions which prevent them from doing it rite. you cant say if you had good form your knees wont hurt. I have been taking glucosamine for about 2 months now and It has help with the pain in my knees some degree. I now can deal with it more and my form is much better. It is not all ways about perfect form.
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    05/19/03 435X5
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    bigkevin20. My caveat was IF you can go to the bathroom WITHOUT knee pain you can learn pain free squats. It IS a squat. Unfortunately you admitted sometimes it hurts your knees to just use the bathroom...that's the exception.

    A PROPER squat is much more of a hip movement than a knee movement. I recommend all check with Louie Simmons: http://www.westside-barbell.com/

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    Originally posted by matrosa
    bigkevin20. My caveat was IF you can go to the bathroom WITHOUT knee pain you can learn pain free squats. It IS a squat. Unfortunately you admitted sometimes it hurts your knees to just use the bathroom...that's the exception.

    A PROPER squat is much more of a hip movement than a knee movement. I recommend all check with Louie Simmons: http://www.westside-barbell.com/
    Who squats in the gym with their pants around their ankles and no weight on their shoulders? It's a little different.
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    Re: squatting hurts knees

    Originally posted by bob2624
    What do I tell all those people who tell me that squatting is bad for your knees, specifically when you go below parallel?
    Actually, its harder on your knees stopping at above parallel than going bellow, there are many misinformed people out there.

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    how do you get the quotes in the box i been hear for a while and never picked it up
    Age 23 Height 5'10 weight 210 2 years complete of serious lifting.
    At 5'10" last Jan/02 I was 280 Lbs with a 44 waist.
    Now as of Dec/02 I am 210 with a 34-36 waist. A year complete 70 pounds lost now lets get big .
    Goal Deadlift 500 by summer now..
    02/10/03 405X3 425X1
    02/17/03 435X1
    02/24/03 445X1
    03/03/03 455X1
    03/10/03 455X3 "rack pull" 500X1 "rack pull MISS"
    03/17/03 405X6, "Rack Pulls 505X3, 525X1.... 555X1 Miss"
    04/14/03 465X1 verry difficult
    05/12/03 475X1 Easy!!! 500X1 Miss"real close"
    05/19/03 435X5
    06/16/03 Rack pulls 555X2, 600Xmiss
    07/14/03 500X1 GOAL ACHIEVED!!!!
    10/06/03 500X4 555X1 Miss
    10/13/03 535X1
    11/10/03 Rack pull 500X7
    GOAL for 2004 get back to a low fat% and keep it 8 -10% would be great.
    06/29 rack pull 700X3
    07/6/04 600x1 at 216
    09/6/04 600X1 at 208 Rack pull 720X3
    NEW GOAL BENCH 400 BY FEB 2005 "not sure about this one"

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    Originally posted by bigkevin20
    how do you get the quotes in the box i been hear for a while and never picked it up
    click "quote" in the upper right of the post you want to quote from.
    "damn...can't beat logic like that.
    NAte is exactly right." - Tryska

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    Oh! duh I never looked up there
    thanks
    Age 23 Height 5'10 weight 210 2 years complete of serious lifting.
    At 5'10" last Jan/02 I was 280 Lbs with a 44 waist.
    Now as of Dec/02 I am 210 with a 34-36 waist. A year complete 70 pounds lost now lets get big .
    Goal Deadlift 500 by summer now..
    02/10/03 405X3 425X1
    02/17/03 435X1
    02/24/03 445X1
    03/03/03 455X1
    03/10/03 455X3 "rack pull" 500X1 "rack pull MISS"
    03/17/03 405X6, "Rack Pulls 505X3, 525X1.... 555X1 Miss"
    04/14/03 465X1 verry difficult
    05/12/03 475X1 Easy!!! 500X1 Miss"real close"
    05/19/03 435X5
    06/16/03 Rack pulls 555X2, 600Xmiss
    07/14/03 500X1 GOAL ACHIEVED!!!!
    10/06/03 500X4 555X1 Miss
    10/13/03 535X1
    11/10/03 Rack pull 500X7
    GOAL for 2004 get back to a low fat% and keep it 8 -10% would be great.
    06/29 rack pull 700X3
    07/6/04 600x1 at 216
    09/6/04 600X1 at 208 Rack pull 720X3
    NEW GOAL BENCH 400 BY FEB 2005 "not sure about this one"

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    Why don't some of you guys come up with an answer to this guy's question.

    I get this question all the time and the resonse I choose to give is the "...bathroom" statement above. It usually gets a laugh and at least gets my clients to think about how many times they do squat during the day...without pain. Once you get them squatting WITHOUT WEIGHT properly, you can gradually add weight.

    Anways, kinda feel like I'm beatin' my head against a wall here. You don't have to agree with me, got no problem with that. I'll keep saying it (have for years) and I believe it. You guys don't have to. BUT don't waste your time arguing with me. GIVE the poster your answer.

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    Originally posted by matrosa
    bigkevin20. My caveat was IF you can go to the bathroom WITHOUT knee pain you can learn pain free squats. It IS a squat. Unfortunately you admitted sometimes it hurts your knees to just use the bathroom...that's the exception.

    A PROPER squat is much more of a hip movement than a knee movement. I recommend all check with Louie Simmons: http://www.westside-barbell.com/
    *** It's a matter of coordination. You need to teach them how to squat so it suits their biomechanics.
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    Originally posted by matrosa
    I hear this all the time with clients. It's perpetuated by misguided family physicians. I ask "So how do you go to the bathroom?"

    If you can squat to "do your business" without knee pain you can learn to squat properly in the gym without knee pain.
    This does not really answer his question either as he specifically referred to squatting below parallel.

    How about telling them, or perhaps demontrating that the knee is at it's highest mechanical disadvantage when it is just above parallel (read: furthest it can be from the resistance being lifted). Therefore, the forces generated in the knee joint are greater, and much worse than if one were to go just below parallel and decrease (although to a low degree) the mechanical disadvantage of the knee.
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