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    Morning cardio and Catabolism

    I'm currently trying to gain mass, and not doing any cardio at all. However, I want to begin performing cardio on my off days, although I don't want to compromise my progress in gaining muscle. I know that morning cardio is usually used while trying to lose fat, however I would not be doing it on an empty stomach. If I take 1 serving of Whey (equals 20g protein) 30 minutes prior to performing cardio, would that be enough to minimize the risk of catabolism?

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    You need to ask yourself why you are doing the cardio in the first place. I assume it is purely for cardiovascular benefits because you should know that it is difficult (unless you are a newbie) to lose fat and gain muscle at the same time. Therefore, the time the cardio is done does not really matter. You would be better off getting in at least one solid meal in before doing your cardio. You can also take a post-workout shake after your cardio to keep the period of catabolism as short as possible.

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    do 20 minutes of low-intensity cardio after your weight training, that's it...

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    LAM, I've never understood the logic behind that. Aren't you at your most catabolic state at that time?

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    FYI -

    I've been doing morning cardio (1 mile uphill intervals w/2 mile x/c jogs) during this bulking phase (going on 3 months now) on an empty stomach and have not noted any detrimental effects.

    I consume 8 oz. of a high g/i beverage w/10g protein and 5g glutamine prior to the activity and 32 oz. of a high g/i beverage w/20g protein and 5g of glutamine immediately thereafter.

    I've been gaining about 4 - 6 lbs. a month with about 1 - 1.5 lbs. of it being fat. (I measure b/f monthly)

    Food for thought.

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    I jog on my off days at about 6am, uphill and downhill until i just cannot jog anymore, if i feel ive spent too much time jogging i try to jog faster to tire myself out. It is helping me gain mass, i dont know why, but it has improved my squats and a few others.

    Vido, i really like what u put as your signaeture (Obsessed is just a word that the lazy use to describe the dedicated), ive always wanted to yell that in the face of a few people!!!

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    Vido...true. after training your body is in a negative protein balance. but since glycogen stores are low (and serum gh has increased slightly) it's an easy way to burn "some" fat. if you keep the intensity low there is no problem. plus you don't have to come back to the gym just to do cardio etc...once you slam down your post workout shake everything is AOK

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    Originally posted by LAM
    Vido...true. after training your body is in a negative protein balance. but since glycogen stores are low (and serum gh has increased slightly) it's an easy way to burn "some" fat. if you keep the intensity low there is no problem. plus you don't have to come back to the gym just to do cardio etc...once you slam down your post workout shake everything is AOK
    I don't quite agree with this. I agree with Vido. After weights you are already in a catabolic state and this is when your first post workout nutrition should be consumed IMO. By delaying that you are in a catabolic state for longer. Put on top of that the fact that cardio is a highly catabolic form of exercise and you are increasing the catabolic state further. I would be inclined to just do 20-30 mins once per week on an off day for some cardiovascular benefits.

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    Originally posted by Vido
    You need to ask yourself why you are doing the cardio in the first place.

    Like I said, I'm currently NOT doing any cardio at the moment.

    I assume it is purely for cardiovascular benefits because you should know that it is difficult (unless you are a newbie) to lose fat and gain muscle at the same time.

    You got it. For cardiovascular benefits, and I also actually enjoy doing some cardio exercise. Also, I never said I wanted to gain muscle and lose fat at the same time.

    Therefore, the time the cardio is done does not really matter. You would be better off getting in at least one solid meal in before doing your cardio. You can also take a post-workout shake after your cardio to keep the period of catabolism as short as possible.

    Thanks for the advice.

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    Appreciate all the info everyone. Although, I actually heard the same about performing cardio after weight training about being in a high catabolic state, which is why I was wondering if I was better off doing it on an off day.

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    Ozzymt...low intensity cardio is far from catabolic but high-intensity cardio is extremely catabolic especially when the body is in a negative protein balance. that is why after resistance training low-intensity cardio can be performed.

    if the weight training session last 60 minutes another 20 minutes of low-intensity cardio is fine and will not hurt gains. I've been doing it post-workout for the past 5 years and I'm certainly not shrinking

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