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The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness

Itís no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

By: Nick Tumminello Added: January 6th, 2014
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    En botella whey! Max-Mex's Avatar
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    Is it possible to get stronger w/o getting bigger?

    I was bored at work the other day and decided to look up some info on how gymnasts strength train. I found this very interesting article on the subject. According to the article, gymnasts try to get as much strength as possible, but w/o getting bigger. Obviously this is better for gymnasts because the less mass they have, the easier it is for them to do the things they do.

    Was wondering what you guys think of the article and if this is really possible?
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    to a certian point yeah, i think it is possible to get stronger without getting bigger. some people on this board have been doing just that. although, i think it can only be carried to a certian point, cause muscles can only get so efficient before extra strength demands extra size.
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    i would get upset if that happened...
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    Don't get too upset. It happens much sooner than many people would like to believe.

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    Just don't eat too much

    reading the article seems like I've been all the right things to gain strength, power and size together - heavy weights/low reps, light weights moved at maximal speeds

    Most athletes don't require muscle mass with their strength, power to weight ratio is king. Only football players require muscle mass.
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    Latty has been getting stronger for a long time but didn`t gain much weight

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    Yes its very possible, as others have said your diet will have a huge influx on what happens.

    The gymnasts are a prime example, but as with any sport steroids play a big part at the top levels.
    The only limits are the one's you place on yourself...

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    possible.

    though it will depned on genetics as well. some one like greg kovacs probably would have trouble getting strong with out getting bigger. but at the other end of the scale with light weight elite powerlifters have difficulty getting big but getting strong is easy regardless of routine.

    Most of us here are some between these two variable. routine will effect how much hypertrophy and strenght can occur.
    Plus technique will you to lift more (techniqualy not stronger as muscle output is the same, just more efficient) at it.
    my exprience - joined gym 10 years ago, 6 1/2 years hard weight training exprience.

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    hmm, I like to be big!!!
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    Yeah and obviously lowering your BF is a good way to go.
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    MAx "your" article explain very well how to gain strength without growing. Focus on low reps.

    If you want to grow do high reps, 8-12. You won't gain as much strength with 8-12 reps than with 1-5 reps but you'll increase your strength potential, increase absolute strength because it'll make your muscles grow.

    My guess is that giant sets are the way to go if size is your goal.
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    No. I'm living proof that you must get larger to get stronger.






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    I think alot of bodybuilders have trouble understanding the power/weight ratio that exist in everything. Getting bigger & stronger legs may not make you faster. Anyone whose ever wanted to go fast nows theres a balance between size and power.

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    possible, and it happens all the time; for example, powerlifters try to get stronger faster than the weight they put on, so they won't have to compete at heavier weight classes unless they're strong enough
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    My two cents....

    I know my bench press has increased about 40lbs, but measurement is still the same....Not sure why.

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    Track and field athletes are living proof of this, sure some of them are bigger than most people, but for the number they lift they're not big, but their strength/power levels sure kill most bodybuilders.

    Triple Jumper Jonathan Edwards for example weighs like 165lbs and can power clean over 320lbs !!! He looks like a long distance runner

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    If you lift heavy but dont eat over maintenance, you will get stronger without getting bigger. Im sure it stops at some point though.
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