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    You didn't read closely, I could not lift 135 lbs. I didn't try less to see what I could do. The next time I trained I used a Universal bench press.

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    I read it close enough. I figured you meant you could get really close or something, but that's all you tried.

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    When I first got into the medical sales field, I was surprised to find out that there were not any set in stone methodologies to treating patients. For example, a patient might go see Dr. Smith with a broken shoulder and he would want to just immobilize the joint and watch it for several weeks, while Dr. Jones would rather attempt to fix the problem by operating and putting a rod into the fractured bone. Which one is the correct way to fix the fracture? Well, both can be correct, but it depends on the surgeon and it especially depends on the patient, as all heal a little differently. Nothing is set in stone. But what I truly found interesting was that either method was accepted by the general orthopedic community as being an applicable treatment for the problem. What it ends up boiling down to is philosophy - what the surgeon was trained on and what he has had success with in the past.

    I think that we are in a very similar position here with bodybuilding. What we have seen going on is a battle of philosophies - a holy war, if you will. Both methodologies may give favorable outcomes in the future, but the real question is, which one ends up being the most efficient getting there. I believe one thing as does Chris. Powerman and Cack as well as a few others hold to a different philosophy to get to the same place.

    We may just have to agree to our differences, and let others carry on the debate...
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    Originally posted by Craig James
    When I first got into the medical sales field, I was surprised to find out that there were not any set in stone methodologies to treating patients. For example, a patient might go see Dr. Smith with a broken shoulder and he would want to just immobilize the joint and watch it for several weeks, while Dr. Jones would rather attempt to fix the problem by operating and putting a rod into the fractured bone. Which one is the correct way to fix the fracture? Well, both can be correct, but it depends on the surgeon and it especially depends on the patient, as all heal a little differently. Nothing is set in stone. But what I truly found interesting was that either method was accepted by the general orthopedic community as being an applicable treatment for the problem. What it ends up boiling down to is philosophy - what the surgeon was trained on and what he has had success with in the past.

    I think that we are in a very similar position here with bodybuilding. What we have seen going on is a battle of philosophies - a holy war, if you will. Both methodologies may give favorable outcomes in the future, but the real question is, which one ends up being the most efficient getting there. I believe one thing as does Chris. Powerman and Cack as well as a few others hold to a different philosophy to get to the same place.

    We may just have to agree to our differences, and let others carry on the debate...
    Thank you, Craig-- you and I may disagree about how to train, but you have the right attitude about it--- you have my respect for that.

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    Chris I don't actually train like that at all. Cack told me to post that ... he said he'd butcher my girl and boil my cats if I didn't ....... and everyone know how much I love my ......... cats. Furry little things.

    I actually train to failure on all sets and beyond failure on at least one set (drop set, negative, rest-pause, forced reps etc etc). I don't really perform low volume, but it isn't high either. 9 - 12 set range.
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    Haha...

    I was anticipating a hilarious explanation of Yates hugeness from Chris, I was very disappointed.

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    Originally posted by Craig James
    When I first got into the medical sales field, I was surprised to find out that there were not any set in stone methodologies to treating patients. For example, a patient might go see Dr. Smith with a broken shoulder and he would want to just immobilize the joint and watch it for several weeks, while Dr. Jones would rather attempt to fix the problem by operating and putting a rod into the fractured bone. Which one is the correct way to fix the fracture? Well, both can be correct, but it depends on the surgeon and it especially depends on the patient, as all heal a little differently. Nothing is set in stone. But what I truly found interesting was that either method was accepted by the general orthopedic community as being an applicable treatment for the problem. What it ends up boiling down to is philosophy - what the surgeon was trained on and what he has had success with in the past.

    I think that we are in a very similar position here with bodybuilding. What we have seen going on is a battle of philosophies - a holy war, if you will. Both methodologies may give favorable outcomes in the future, but the real question is, which one ends up being the most efficient getting there. I believe one thing as does Chris. Powerman and Cack as well as a few others hold to a different philosophy to get to the same place.

    We may just have to agree to our differences, and let others carry on the debate...

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    I agree.


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    Nice post, Craig...thanks.

    It's the same in my field, education. If there was a One True Way of teaching math that worked for every college student (17 year old high school grad, 38 year old just laid off from job, 50-ish retiree) my job would be a lot easier. From my own experience, one of the most challenging AND most interesting things about my work is figuring out which of the many different approaches/styles/methods will work for an individual person...a method that is golden for one student is useless to another and so on.

    Learning *could* be thought of as simply understanding brain chemistry and figuring out how to effectively stimulate the growth of neural connections. But anyone who has tried to master difficult material knows that it's much more complicated than that and when anxiously studying for an important exam, biochemistry is not the foremost concern.

    I believe that there are many good training methods...a little experimentation can help figure out which one works for you. Arguing about who is "right" is a waste of evergy and time, though civilized debate and information sharing is a great resource for all of us.

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    He is a man of wisdom, but I am a man of conviction (and wisdom)!

    Yates, do me a favor in the future, don't let Cack influence you . I do appreciate you coming clean, so to speak .

    HIT Jedi??? Man, some people will never learn.

    Oh yeah, Paul Stagg, I very much like Paul Stagg and think that he is a smart, level-headed guy. That being said, he isn't exactly setting the world on fire with his lifts either. I mean, he and Powerman claim to be "powerlifters", yet they lift considerably less than myself, Ronan, Yates, or Maddog. Why is that? Is it merely genetics? Is it steroids? I don't think so. Go to your local gym, take a look at the strongest guys, even the ones juicing, how do they train? Well, I think some of you will get the point.

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    again with the weight comparisons..


    just let it go Chris. the moment has passed.
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    Originally posted by chris mason


    HIT Jedi??? Man, some people will never learn.
    Yeah, look in the mirror to see one.


    Oh yeah, Paul Stagg, I very much like Paul Stagg and think that he is a smart, level-headed guy. That being said, he isn't exactly setting the world on fire with his lifts either. I mean, he and Powerman claim to be "powerlifters", yet they lift considerably less than myself, Ronan, Yates, or Maddog. Why is that? Is it merely genetics? Is it steroids? I don't think so. Go to your local gym, take a look at the strongest guys, even the ones juicing, how do they train? Well, I think some of you will get the point.
    You just don't get it do you? You and all those you listed have been training a lot longer than myself-- I don't know how long Paul's been at it, so I can't speak for him.

    Fourteen years, Chris, is a lot of time to impose adaptation. To think that I should just magically come from 125 lbs, benching barely that, squatting maybe 200, to putting up WR's is inconceivable to the point of ridiculous, even using steroids.

    If you can't come up with a better argument than I'm bigger so I'm better, you really need to shut up.

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    Powerman is a power lifter? for how long? not trying to start shiat but i saw his pic in general chat...
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    How long has Ronan been training? He is, after all, only 17, couldn't have been that long. As I have said in the past, after only 1.5 years of training I had surpassed you, from very humble beginnings....

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    Originally posted by ElPietro
    Powerman is a power lifter? for how long? not trying to start shiat but i saw his pic in general chat...
    Size and strength aren't the same thing--- go look at my lifts in the journal.

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    Actually none, but good try!

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    Originally posted by chris mason
    Actually none, but good try!
    What were those exact numbers, BTW?

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    Sorry this is sounding like i'm tryin to start a flame match but i'm just curious.

    from your pic it looks like your arms are bone/skin/sinew, i know you can focus on strength training but lifting weights requires muscles, stressing those muscles causes SOME growth. Not that I'm saying you have but lifts can be made up on these boards, pics tell the story. Mebbe show a pic posing or something, bones and sinew don't make lifts muscle does.

    Or i guess you could shut everyone up with a pic of you and the weights you lift. Not that you have to prove anythin to me. Again just curious.
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    Originally posted by ElPietro
    Sorry this is sounding like i'm tryin to start a flame match but i'm just curious.

    from your pic it looks like your arms are bone/skin/sinew, i know you can focus on strength training but lifting weights requires muscles, stressing those muscles causes SOME growth. Not that I'm saying you have but lifts can be made up on these boards, pics tell the story. Mebbe show a pic posing or something, bones and sinew don't make lifts muscle does.

    Or i guess you could shut everyone up with a pic of you and the weights you lift. Not that you have to prove anythin to me. Again just curious.
    If/when I get the opportunity, I will. And just for the record, I look a lot more muscular when I'm in the proper lighting, out of loose clothing, etc.

    I suppose I should get a few pics of a max Dead or one of my chins, just to give a little more backup to what I say.

    I'll put that on my list.

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    Chris, you have said that you have used steroids in the past, just curious as to what time in your training this was? Was it during this time that you lifted your most? Also, why don't you start a journal yourself to show how well your training works? Another thing, you said you "peaked" after two years of training, so does that mean in the last 12 years you've gotten worse or at best stayed the same?

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    Can we kill the pi**ing contests? It's getting old.

    This post started as something valid, and has once more turned into "I'm right, you're wrong... and mine is bigger than yours. So nyah."

    If your methods work for you, THEY WORK FOR YOU. If they do not work for someone else, check the dictionary for the word "individuality". It's as simple as that. As many times as it's been said, there are basic concepts you need follow, such as form and whatnot to avoid injury... but geez...

    JUST PICK THE FREAKIN WEIGHT UP AND PUT IT DOWN!

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    We must be getting desperate..... Well, since you asked, I got to 220 lbs drug free. This was a little over 2 years into my training. At that time, I thought I might like to be a pro bodybuilder and had quite a few friends who imbibed. So, like a fool, I decided to try them myself. Yes Cack, I lifted the most when I took them. That does make sense to you, does it not? I think that if I had never taken them I would be bigger and stronger and had less injuries. I don't mean bigger and stronger than when on them, I mean I would be naturally bigger and stronger. Yes, I do feel that there is a genetic limit to what is possible, and I feel that for myself, I am quite close to it.

    Now, it is obvious what you are trying to imply, but let me ask a question, how many people do you think would like to get to their genetic potential (or close to it) as quickly as possible? Or, do you think that most people out there would like to toil away for years and years lifting mediocre weights and being averaged sized (all in the attempt to get big and strong)?
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    Originally posted by chris mason
    We must be getting desperate..... Well, since you asked, I got to 220 lbs drug free. This was a little over 2 years into my training. At that time, I thought I might like to be a pro bodybuilder and had quite a few friends who imbibed. So, like a fool, I decided to try them myself. Yes Cack, I lifted the most when I took them. That does make sense to you, does it not? I think that if I had never taken them I would be bigger and stronger and had less injuries. I don't mean bigger and stronger than when on them, I mean I would be naturally bigger and stronger. Yes, I do feel that there is a genetic limit to what is possible, and I feel that for myself, I am quite close to it.

    Now, it is obvious what you are trying to imply, but let me ask a question, how many people do you think would like to get to their genetic potential (or close to it) as quickly as possible? Or, do you think that most people out there would like to toil away for years and years lifting mediocre weights and being averaged sized (all in the attempt to get big and strong)?
    You still never said these amazing lifts you got in those two years, nor what type of training you used. YOu demand all these things from me, I don't see it being terribly unfair to ask them from you.

    Secondly, if you think genetic potential is possible for most casual athletes, and especially in two years, then you are seriously fooling yourself.

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    Oh yeah, Paul Stagg, I very much like Paul Stagg and think that he is a smart, level-headed guy.

    ** I like to think so.

    That being said, he isn't exactly setting the world on fire with his lifts either.

    ** And? For a very long time, I trained to get bigger, not stronger. Further, I've recently significantly changed the form I use. I'm also not exactly a genetic wonder. I'm a sh*tload stronger than I was when I started.

    I mean, he and Powerman claim to be "powerlifters", yet they lift considerably less than myself, Ronan, Yates, or Maddog. Why is that?

    ** When you compete and have a total in a PL meet, you will be able to demonstate that. Until then, the point is moot. I have avoided posting my lifts for this very reason - and you are making a HUGE assumption that the lifts that I am posting are anywhere near maximal 'gym' lifts. As I'm sure you know, PLing is a show of technique and strength, my focus is on learning the technique. I'm shooting to total about 1200, and other than the deadlift, I'm already capable of those lifts (400 squat, 300 bench) in the gym. (The 500 pound pull is going to be an issue, I'm afraid). I am not a PLer yet, by the way, as I have yet to compete. I am, and always will be, a lifter. I have never used steroids or prohormones.

    Is it merely genetics? Is it steroids? I don't think so. Go to your local gym, take a look at the strongest guys, even the ones juicing, how do they train?

    ** In my gym, the biggest, strongest guys vary their intensity and routines - and each of the individuals trains using different methods. Some use Westide, some train using multiple sets, some train using sets to failure. Almost none of them train like pro BBers (high volume), but other than that, the methods vary. They are all on gear.

    Well, I think some of you will get the point.

    ** I'm not sure, exactly, what the point is. Based on your HS photos, you are geneticly predisposed to be muscular. When I graduated from HS, I was 5'11.5" and 135 pounds. I've been as big as 225. Right now I'm under 210, as I think I want to compete as a 198. I've been lifting seriously since I was 24 or so, I'm 31 now. For the first 2-3 years of lifting, I was not particularly successful, as I spent way too much time reading muscle rags. During the 7-8 years I've been lifting, I've also had about 2 - 3 years worth of layoffs, due to personal issues (a divorce), work, injury (a back sprain, a broken foot, other back issues), and laziness.

    What matters is not what you do relative to others, it is what you do relative to where YOU started, and relative to what your goals are. You've made outstanding progress, you are a big, strong dude, and you know your sh*t. The same can be said for me, even though I am not as big or as strong as you. The same can be said for LOTS of people. Stuart McRobert is not particularly big or strong, compared to many lifters, but his progress was phenomanal, and for his genetics, injuries, etc, what he can lift is great. Further, he knows his sh*t. There are countless strength coaches who can be categorized similarly.

    Most of this discussion has been crap, with a bunch of negative garbage being spit at each other... which is NOT the point, ever. The POINT is to support each other in our endeavors, to celebrate our success, and to learn from each other the things that do work, the things that don't work, and have productive conversations about why those things do and do not work (either individually or collectively). Along the way, I'd hope we can teach some newbies the basics that we KNOW work, regardless of your particular training methodology. Furthermore, newbies can get a wide array of ideas, try them, and find what works well for them. Unfortunately, in this thread and the other on failure, there have been a couple of good points that get lost because of all the other noise.

    A big reason I'm doing the PLing at all is so I can learn more about it, and maybe someone can learn from it.

    - How do you know you are progressing if you do not train to failure?

    ** You do not have to train to failure to train hard. If the lift in the given rep range keeps going up, you are progressing. Often, it does take going to failure once to find your strength level.... let's look at an example:

    I bench 225 for 8, and can not complete the 9th rep... so my 8RM is 225.

    The following week, I do 225 for 8.
    The next week I do 230 for 8
    The next week I do 235 for 8
    The next week I do 237.5 for 8
    The next week I do 240x8
    The next week I do 242.5 x 8
    the next week I do 245 x 8
    The next week I do 247.5 x 8
    The next week I do 250 x 7 and fail on the 8th rep.
    Not one workout is taken to failure except the last (and not by design)... yet I now have an 8RM of 247.5. I would call that progress.

    Usually, when someone states there is One True Way, they are wrong. The Mentzerites (and before him Jones, who by the way, came up with this one set to failure on his machines trying to reduce the amount of time people would be in his gym, so he could have more members... it had nothing to do with successful bodybuilding), and most HIT and HG guys do themselves a HUGE disservice by acting like they know the One True Way, and become so dogmatic that the good stuff in their message gets lost. (The good stuff being work hard, be brief, go eat, and rest)

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    Paul, you get 5 Gold Stars for that one.

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