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    Is it really nessacary to train the abdominals???

    Do people get enough stimulation from other exercises and is it really effective training the abs (rectus abdominis) more than once a week?
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    Personally I think if you are using compound lifts that involve stabalizing your midsection (squats, standing military, etc) then you don't need direct ab work.
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    It depends.

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    Anthony, great minds think alike my friend.
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    "I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my sinful nature. For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. For what I do is not the good I want to do; no, the evil I do not want to do--this I keep on doing. Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.
    So I find this law at work: When I want to do good, evil is right there with me. For in my inner being I delight in God's law; but I see another law at work in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within my members. What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body of death? Thanks be to God--through Jesus Christ our Lord!"
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    Originally posted by Paul Stagg
    It depends.

    *** Could you explain why?
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    "Test all things; hold fast what is good.": 1 Thessalonians 5:21

    "I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my sinful nature. For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. For what I do is not the good I want to do; no, the evil I do not want to do--this I keep on doing. Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.
    So I find this law at work: When I want to do good, evil is right there with me. For in my inner being I delight in God's law; but I see another law at work in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within my members. What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body of death? Thanks be to God--through Jesus Christ our Lord!"
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    Mac, you only ask questions when you already have the answer (or think you do), so I will assume this is a "trick" question. You do NOT need to train your midsection in order to have impressive lifts in any of the big 3 lifts. I personally have never trained my abs except for shows until very recently when I decided that I wanted to look good (and consequently dieted). I never had any problem with my midsection limiting me in any way. Now, I don't think it is unwise, just not necessary. As far as frequency, that is relative to the individual.

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    I think it is important to train the abs atleast once a week.Abs are a muscle just like the biceps or lats.Why ignore training them?I agree that they are involved as stabilizers in core lifts like cleans,deads and squats.But, I see no disadvantages to hitting them once a week with a couple of heavy sets in order to keep them strong.

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    Ballast, I don't train my biceps directly either.
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    Originally posted by chris mason
    Mac, you only ask questions when you already have the answer (or think you do), so I will assume this is a "trick" question. You do NOT need to train your midsection in order to have impressive lifts in any of the big 3 lifts. I personally have never trained my abs except for shows until very recently when I decided that I wanted to look good (and consequently dieted). I never had any problem with my midsection limiting me in any way. Now, I don't think it is unwise, just not necessary. As far as frequency, that is relative to the individual.

    *** You are missing the point my friend. I don't hold an answer to any question that I ask or anyone else asks.
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    "I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my sinful nature. For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. For what I do is not the good I want to do; no, the evil I do not want to do--this I keep on doing. Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.
    So I find this law at work: When I want to do good, evil is right there with me. For in my inner being I delight in God's law; but I see another law at work in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within my members. What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body of death? Thanks be to God--through Jesus Christ our Lord!"
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    I don't hold the ultimate answer Chris.
    I may have a opinion on the topic that I post or answer on but that is all.

    I personally have stopped training my abs directly several years ago. I will start training them again when I do some specialization work on my core lifts.
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    So I find this law at work: When I want to do good, evil is right there with me. For in my inner being I delight in God's law; but I see another law at work in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within my members. What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body of death? Thanks be to God--through Jesus Christ our Lord!"
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    Just for the record, I hate the words "specialization work on my core lifts".

    I especially hate the whole "core" thing that people talk about these days.
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    Anthony said "Ballast, I don't train my biceps directly either."
    **Ok.Thanks for the info.

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    I've stopped training my abs directly - purely cause i saw a pose by Lee Priest where he is side on with a straight arm. His waist is so small and his chest is so big and it looks amazing.

    I don't want big abs - i believe that deads and squats do them nicely - eve pull ups when i do them.
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    DB Pullovers work them like crazy too.
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    I've found that the abs can be a limiting factor for me in squatting and DLing; even if they are worked during the movement, if they're already a weak point, they aren't going to be made stronger by doing those movements. You may progress in the lift, but the midsection will still be the weak link.

    I like to incorporate a few sets of Russian twists or weighted crunches to keep everything even.

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    I'll agree with Anthony and the rest... they're not a must but it can only be good to do them
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    I Train them directly. I couldn't imagine not training them.
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    If I was training for bodybuilding and doing squats or deads then I wouldn't train my abs but since I want my squat and dead to go up I train them twice a week.
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    i train the like i train every other musclegroup. i see alot says that they get trained while doing deads and squat. but remember, your shoulders and triceps gets worked when doing chest, but you still train them seperately as well.

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    I cant remember the last time I trained my abs!

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    I train abs after legs, yet I know that abs are made in the kitchen not in the gym, I just love to see the "abs section" of my gym full of girls, trying to change their gut into a six-pack, they do crunches, leg raises, sit-ups day after day, yet they never see results

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    i trian my abs about every 9 days at the moment with about 5 sets of 8 reps as on those one of those machines that the weight is agianst your chest. and you push it down. i go heavy to increase my ab strength.

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