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    this is kind of bothering me. how closely is progress related to muscle growth? it seems not very close in my experience.

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    my chest is my weakest part and also progresses very slowly, maybe 1 rep a week. but, recently its been growing very fast even though progress is still very slow.

    my back is my least developed part. my back strength goes up very quick, 10lbs a week on deads, BB rows, and 2 reps on pull ups. but doesn't seem to grow much.

    biceps never progress anymore, but they grow.

    triceps progress every workout, but are very slow to grow.

    i just find this kind of odd...any explainations?

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    You are a freak of nature.


    No, I really don't know. I was wondering the same thing myself recently.
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    Look at your diet Cack, when i changed my ratios boy lifts all went up, 40/30/30 i was o that get rid of them.

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    my diet is very good. i'm almost positive that is not the problem. i'm using 40-30-30 myself...

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    I think it could be due to neuromuscular adaption and efficiency.....remember you don't have years and years of training under your belt.

    Strength and growth I've noticed aren't always directly correlated.

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    How can you gauge your gains by saying you are adding 10 lbs a week to an excersize? Does that mean after a year, 52 weeks, you'll be rowing over 500 lbs, right?

    Anyways, what I'm getting at is it doesn't matter how much strength you add every week. It's all about the mirror. Unless of course your a powerlifter....

    Everyone has certain body parts that respond better then others, sometimes it genetics, sometimes it form...
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    Your progress is dependant on how you train(of course other things play factors as well).You train chest and you see progress in muscle size but not so much in strenght.....you train back and your strenght goes up but the size is not following.

    Let me explain.....you want size you lift for 12 reps but only see minimal strenght gains,on the other hand your chest is hypertrophying at the rate of China.If you were not a begginer then it would probally be something else,but changes in the size and strenght department should be coming along for you.

    I know you may not be using those numbers but you need to change them up and find out where the fine line is.Of course it would make sense to train for one, then the other.

    I have given the repition chart before on MM.

    Thats my thought on it.
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    The relationships are not linear.

    IME, and IMO, you MUST get stronger to get bigger.

    However, you can get much stronger, and not get much bigger, and you can get a little stronger, and get a decent size increase.

    There are so many other factors involved.


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    Look at the weights you're using Cack. You could be using twice as much weight for deads as you are for bench. Last week I deadlifted 365 for 8. If I do 375 for 8 this week, it won't be that much of a change(relative). However, If I BENCH 235 for 10 this week instead of the 225 for 10 I did last week, that would be much more significant because the weight is much less. In your case, imagine using the 15 lb dumbells for shoulder press instead of the 5 pounders you used last week. Sure, it's still only 10 lbs, but it's 3x what you used last week, so it's very significant. I hope you have a training partner to spot you cack. lol just kiddin ya.

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    Cack I know what you mean..

    I sem to be progressing just great on the weight I can handle but am not growing at the SAME rate..

    So diet is changing to see if that helps...

    I know you have your diet well so just keep pushing.. If you are growing then thats what matters

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    Originally posted by gino
    In your case, imagine using the 15 lb dumbells for shoulder press instead of the 5 pounders you used last week

    Hahahahaha......
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    You're pushing some serious weight on those db presses!
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    Cack goes to failure at about 4 reps. j/k
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    CACK- it could be that the muscles are growing, but it's hard to tell. For example, your chest is a lot smaller than your back, so equal gains to each would be noticed a lot easier when looking at your chest. Get it??

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