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The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness

Itís no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

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    I don't get why my bb bench is higher then some people on the board, but my incline db bench is WAY lower. Anyone have any clue? Like for bb bench I did 185 x 6, 6, 5. But for incline db bench I can only do 50 x 10, 60 x 5, 5. Also, I notice in the gym that people bb bench more then me, but I incline db more then them.....hmmm......odd.

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    Do you focus on flat bench?

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    THat is because you probably start with bp and then you are too tired for lifting as heavy, try swaping incline first then bench press for some time!





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    What's the angle on the bench? I never have the bench greater than 30 degrees. How's your shoulder strength? Your shoulders may be failing on you.
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    The shoulders fail on anyone...which is why inclines suck.

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    Depends on whether or not you have powerful shoulders Cack (as to whether or not inclines suck). Personally, I could always lift a lot of weight on inclines, and therefore liked them. I never performed them first (well, in all my years I should never say never, but you get the idea). The answer Heathj, which Maddog was alluding to, is that in all likelihood your shoulders are a relative weak point in your presses. Inclines do involve the shoudlers to a greater degree, hence relatively weak shoulders will result in relatively weak incline presses. So, keep doing them, and you will help to improve your shoulder strength as you improve your incline press.
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    Chris, what I meant is that on an incline press the shoulders will always fail before the chest (unless pre-exhaust or a similar technique is applied). This has nothing with the amount of weight you can lift, just that the chest muscle won't get pull stimulation because the shoulders will fail pre-maturely before the chest (as well as the triceps).

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    That depends on your form cack. I have tweaked mine over the last 8 years to de-emphasize the front delts. They still get significant stimulation, but don't fail before my chest does.
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    If you say so, gino

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    8 years...wow...heh, alright, thanks guys.

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    If I incline about 5 degrees and give my chest a good stretch when I descend with the dumbells, my chest fails before my delts.

    Furthermore, if I keep the dumbells narrow and low on my torso, my triceps fail before both.

    That is why I like "slight" incline dumbell presses, because you can tweak your form and get a pretty even workout of three important muscles.

    Or maybe it's just me

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    If you bench 185 for 6, 50 x 10 inclines seems reasonable to me.

    Don't sweat it... I don't see thais as a significant strength imbalance, so just keep working at them.

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    I can currently press the same weight above my head on DB shoulder press that i can for Incline DB press...
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    Originally posted by The_Chicken_Daddy
    I can currently press the same weight above my head on DB shoulder press that i can for Incline DB press...
    I'm close to that myself-- I can work with 60-65's for DB shoulder presses, and 75-80's on the incline dumbell. The limiting factor now is getting the weights into position. All those power cleans are coming in handy.

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    I do 90lbers for incline press for 4-5

    and 83lbers for DB press for 3-4.

    Some times i do 83lbers for both since i've been dieting.
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    I don't use db's for overhead presses, I use a machine, but equating with db's, it's only 35 lbs. per side....which isn't even close to my incline db bench.

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    I don't use db's for overhead presses, I use a machine, but equating with db's, it's only 35 lbs. per side....which isn't even close to my incline db bench
    I think you can do better than that. I can OH press the 35s, yet my inclines suck. I also bench 45 pounds less than you.

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    I think I can't.

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    That's the attitude Heath! Good confidence!


    I thought you were flat benching over 200 for 6 reps? Are you another Infinity4Life? Wasn't he from the West coast?


    Anyway, my incline db is nearly the same as my flat db. I guess I'm weird too. Flat db is uncomfortable to me. Flinging the weights up and lying back seems like an injury waiting to happen. I guess it is easier with a spot.
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    I was flat benching 205 x 5. That was only for one set though. That was about 2 months ago, before I took my 3 week break, where I lost almost all my strength. I am pretty much almost there. When I was doing 205 x 5, I could do about 185 x 8 or so for one set. So, pretty much I'm there. It's not the attitude....it's the fact that I cannot put up any more weight due to the fact that I am not strong enough. Do I really want to risk throwing 80's up there and then throw out my shoulder? No, of course not. What's this about Infinity4Life?

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    do ur inclines 1st dagnambit

    damb i thought this wus a barbell vs. dumbell flame war

    *sighs*

    heathj:

    up ur shoulders by doing some BB overhead presses, and from now on do inclines first. hell even try doing incline BB presses for a change instead of DB, u might react better.
    me, personally, i can do more on incline presses than flat
    75 w/ DBs i can do front presses w/ 100 (50+50)
    do em first for a while u should see changes..

    my policy is always starting from top to bottom incline, flat, then decline...
    b/c flat benches still work the anterior delts, and inclines work them more, by doing flat bench 1st u knd of pre-exust ur delts so to speak

    summary: do ur inclines 1st!!!
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    Tried that once and didn't notice any difference

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    well hold out on ur bench until and allow ur inclines to progress, that means u keep the same weight of ur bench press
    "The whole jedi thing was just not compatible with my lifestyle. My master was jelous he was always holding me back, -"be mindfull of the future, but live in the present"- what the hell does that mean? I even got my arm cut off...it just sucked. So i switched to the dark side and i havent looked back once...Now i am shooting lightning from my fingertips, choking people over the phone, i even get to wear a cape.....its just boss. My name is Anikin skywalker and i am a sith lord."

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    Tell ye what you need to do. Get yer pussy ass over to the incline bench, pick up DBs 10 lbs over what you do, and do them to failure. Do the same DBs the week after. Just move the weight up, the reps will follow.

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