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    When to do Deadlifts during back routine?

    I'm curious if its better to do deadlifts in the beginning/middle/end of a routine. I just recently added them to my back routine, and I was curious on opinions. I have been doing them more in the middle of my routine.

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    I would do them as the first thing in any routine if you are doing them heavy. I think that deads should only be done heavy, for few reps, but we won't get into why as it's been discussed to death.

    Doing deadlifts first will warm you up for all your other back exercises. Also, deadlifts will incorporate the most musclegroups so if you did them at some other point, you will be very much pre-fatigued and you will not be able to pull as much.

    Deads I also don't think are that taxing on the Lats directly, so it shouldn't hinder the rest of your isolation movements in your workout.

    For me, I always do the compound lifts first in my routine, these are the most efficient strength/power/size generators so why sell yourself short by pre-exhausting, unless you are trying to isolate a specific aspect of the compound lift. But then you could just do that with isolation movements regardless.
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    I do them in the beginning when I'm fresh. I think if I did them later on I wouldn't have the jam to go full out. Just my $.02.

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    Originally posted by ElPietro


    Deads I also don't think are that taxing on the Lats directly, so it shouldn't hinder the rest of your isolation movements in your workout.

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    I gotta agree with ElPietro except for the bit about it not hindering the rest of the workout.

    At first I thought he was full of crap, but then when I actually started doing deads first, they progressed nicely.

    I put deads on shoulders/traps day. I didn't want my back day to suffer, which it assuredly would. Not so much because lats are in the motion, but because heavy deads are a draining exercise!!
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    Cool, thanks for the input all. I did them yesterday for the first time, and I was concentrating more on making sure I was doing them correct then trying to get heavy pulls.

    Are there any advantages/disadvantages to using a smith machine for them, rather then free-weighting it?

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    Yes, the disadvantage to doing deadlifts in the smith machine, is that if you do I will hunt you down and beat you.

    Do them with free weights.
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    Originally posted by Callahan

    I put deads on shoulders/traps day. I didn't want my back day to suffer, which it assuredly would. Not so much because lats are in the motion, but because heavy deads are a draining exercise!!
    I too thought about this, however I was trying to find a better exercise to hit my lower back. DL's seem to be the one of the only exercises that do require effort from the lower back, so I added it to back day.

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    No smith machine for deads please. I dont think any one can come up with a argument about that one saying it is worth it.
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    Originally posted by sneakychaos
    DL's seem to be the one of the only exercises that do require effort from the lower back, so I added it to back day.
    Let me introduce you to the good morning... As for deadlifts, if you seriously want to do them for back development and not just for overall strength (which is fine too), do them last. After you've trained the large muscles of the back with some heavy iron they will have to work like crazy to do deadlifts and you can use the power of your legs to really punish them. Try it once and you'll know what I mean. And use free weights.
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    ...well alrighty. "Put the bar down and step away from the smith machine." Gotcha.

    I just looked up the goodmornings... interesting. Not sure if I wanted to try it, or run from it. *j/k*

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    I did deads first one day and my whole workout suffered. I now do bent BB rows first, then weighted chins, and finally deads.

    Deads make my lower back so tired I can't even do the BB rows.

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    I always do heaviest lift first. For 2 reason, most energy and it is usually what I am concentrating on. Its doesn't seem to bother my bent over rows. GIS-if lower back is an issue maybe do chins before rows, give your lower back a few minutes to rest. Its probably that my deadlifts are so candy ass they don't other my other lifts.

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    Deadlifts aren't for lats. That is all. I'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest belial didn't do a lat spread after his 615 dead.
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    I agree with Santiago too. After a real hard deadlift session your not gonna have the energy to do your other lifts at full potential. So I guess it could go either way depending on goals.

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    I do deads on my day off by themselves (rest day HeHe!)
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    Originally posted by Berserker
    GIS-if lower back is an issue maybe do chins before rows, give your lower back a few minutes to rest. Its probably that my deadlifts are so candy ass they don't other my other lifts.
    Yeah, that's why I do chins between bent rows and deads. I dont do deads first because regardless of how much rest my lower back has after them, my bent rows will still suffer considerably. On the other hand, doing bent BB rows first does not affect my deads much at all.

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    Originally posted by ElPietro
    Yes, the disadvantage to doing deadlifts in the smith machine, is that if you do I will hunt you down and beat you.

    Do them with free weights.

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    Originally posted by ebon00


    Let me introduce you to the good morning... As for deadlifts, if you seriously want to do them for back development and not just for overall strength (which is fine too), do them last. After you've trained the large muscles of the back with some heavy iron they will have to work like crazy to do deadlifts and you can use the power of your legs to really punish them. Try it once and you'll know what I mean. And use free weights.
    excellent topic...heres my take...

    I didn't start deadlifts until a few months back and soon had rear left delt pain and lower back pain. Even with lighter poundages I didn't like them at first...so I started doing them after upper back. With deads first, my lower back would takeover t-bars, pull downs and other back ex's. Besides I had to use lighter weights in fear of injury. So I wasn't benefitting from the exercise but being paranoid about injury.
    Now I start with a few set of lat pulldowns light-med weight to get blood in the upper back area. Then do med-heavy T-bar to warm up upper back more, rear delts and traps. Then I do a quick super set of knee extension and ham curls with ultra light weight and immediately move on to deadlifts. This way I take advantage of larger muscles to go real heavy. The pump is awesome and almost as draining as squats. I've been able to add a lot of weight. The only other back ex my back can handle AFTER deadlifts is seated cable pulls...but only do them once in a while...

    I read somewhere here that DL's are the most technical exercise....couldn't agree more...
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    I usually do DLs after my other back exercises, simply because if I do them first, my grip for the rest of my workout is totally gone. I don't want to use straps, either.

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    Originally posted by LATMAN



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