The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness
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The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness

Itís no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

By: Nick Tumminello Added: January 6th, 2014
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    Glute-ham raise, hamstring raise etc.

    Can these be performed without a glute-ham raise machine?
    Unfortunately my gym doesn't have one
    I've tried hip extensions, which I thought at the time was a glute-ham raise, until I thought about it... Rotation point was my hips, and I was moving my upper body upwards. (Hip extension). I did it by putting my knees on a bench, with my feet pushing upwards on a bar at bench height behind me.
    One problem i've got too, is that when I have tried a pure hamstring raise in the past, I can't do it. (the one where knee is rotation point) Is there any way to lighten the load (instead of increasing it :P )? Or should I just keep SLDL'ing until they get stronger...
    Theres also a leg curl thing machine at my gym (hamstring thing) where you lie on your front and curl your legs to your ass. Would that be worth a try?

    Basically:
    How do I perform hamstring or glute-ham raises without a glute-ham raise thingey.
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    I've seen pics before of people doing them on a lat pull machine. They hooked there feet into the seat and used the bar to give them a boost throughout the lift.
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    Ah nice idea, thanks! :P
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    Adam, that's a very interesting idea. I might try that today.

    Chris, to date I have tried them a couple times. Neither time with a GHR "machine." The first time I did them on a bench with my g/f holding my legs down. EXTREMELY difficult. I could really only do negatives. Last time I used a swiss-ball with my legs anchored under the stand on the back of an incline bench. Much easier, although still killer. The ball helps to simulate the big padded arc thing on the GHR "machine."
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    I'll try that nate, thanks. I originally thought about it because I saw some football player (a safety) doing it in some video someone posted on here. So I thought to myself, "how hard would that be?" Turns out its a lot harder than he made it look
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    Originally posted by ChrisH
    I'll try that nate, thanks. I originally thought about it because I saw some football player (a safety) doing it in some video someone posted on here. So I thought to myself, "how hard would that be?" Turns out its a lot harder than he made it look
    That video with Archuleta from ESPN right? That is impressive as hell what he is doing. I thought so at the time, then tried it and could not believe he could do it, FOR MULTIPLE REPS, WITH EXTRA WEIGHT!! My understanding though is that it took him at least a couple years to be able to do that.
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    Yeah thats the one...insane huh?
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    Originally posted by ChrisH
    Yeah thats the one...insane huh?
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    I use NateDogg's system, hooking feet under a weighted bench and putting knees on a stability ball. I have used an actual GHR and this is the best thing I have found for simulating the movement. Doing them on a lat pull is immensely more difficult IMO.

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    I cant picture what yall mean on the lat pull machine. Any links or pics?
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    I think this is what he means:
    Kneel on the bench part of a lat pulldown machine, and hold the bar/whatever with a low weight on it. You go downa nd because the weight is pulling you up, its easier to get back up again.
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    That sounds like how I do pulldown abs, only standing.

    I guess the movements are kinda the same.
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    Let me just say that I have had my GHR for 5 days and it is excellent. Nothing has ever hit my hamstrings as hard as these do. I'll see how they help my progress in the next few months.
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