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The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness

Itís no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

By: Nick Tumminello Added: January 6th, 2014
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    Hopefully this doesn't spark a debate

    With race and religion and whatever else being called out and debated lately, I thought I'd paste a letter Malcolm X wrote while on his pilgrimmage to Mecca...

    The Pilgrimage To Mecca:

    By Al-Hajj Malik El-Shabazz (Malcolm X)

    When Al-Hajj Malik El-Shabazz was in Mecca, he wrote this letter:

    Never have I witnessed such sincere hospitality and overwhelming spirit of true brotherhood as is practiced by people of all colors and races here in this ancient Holy Land, the home of Abraham, Muhammad and all the other Prophets of the Holy Scriptures. For the past week, I have been utterly speechless and spellbound by the graciousness I see displayed all around me by people of all colors.

    I have been blessed to visit the Holy City of Mecca, I have made my seven circuits around the Ka‚'bah, led by a young Mutawaf named Muhammad. I drank water from the well of the Zam Zam. I ran seven times back and forth between the hills of Mt. Al-Safa and Al Marwah. I have prayed in the ancient city of Mina, and I have prayed on Mt. Arafat.

    There were tens of thousands of pilgrims, from all over the world. They were of all colors, from blue-eyed blondes to black-skinned Africans. But we were all participating in the same ritual, displaying a spirit of unity and brotherhood that my experiences in America had led me to believe never could exist between the white and non-white.

    America needs to understand Islam, because this is the one religion that erases from its society the race problem. Throughout my travels in the Muslim world, I have met, talked to, and even eaten with people who in America would have been considered white, but the white attitude was removed from their minds by the religion of Islam. I have never before seen sincere and true brotherhood practiced by all colors together, irrespective of their color.

    You may be shocked by these words coming from me. But on this pilgrimage, what I have seen, and experienced, has forced me to rearrange much of my thought-patterns previously held, and to toss aside some of my previous conclusions. This was not too difficult for me. Despite my firm convictions, I have always been a man who tries to face facts, and to accept the reality of life as new experience and new knowledge unfolds it. I have always kept an open mind, which is necessary to the flexibility that must go hand in hand with every form of intelligent search for truth.

    During the past eleven days here in the Muslim world, I have eaten from the same plate, drunk from the same glass, and slept on the same rug while praying to the same God with fellow Muslims, whose eyes were the bluest of blue, whose hair was the blondest of blond, and whose skin was the whitest of white. And in the words and in the deeds of the white Muslims, I felt the same sincerity that I felt among the black African Muslims of Nigeria, Sudan and Ghana.

    We were truly all the same (brothers) because their belief in one God had removed the white from their minds, the white from their behavior, and the white from their attitude.

    I could see from this, that perhaps if white Americans could accept the Oneness of God, then perhaps, too, they could accept in reality the Oneness of Man - and cease to measure, and hinder, and harm others in terms of their differences in color.

    With racism plaguing America like an incurable cancer, the so-called
    Christian white American heart should be more receptive to a proven solution to such a destructive problem. Perhaps it could be in time to save America from imminent disaster the same destruction brought upon Germany by racism that eventually destroyed the Germans themselves.

    Each hour here in the Holy Land enables me to have greater spiritual insights into what is happening in America between black and white. The American Negro never can be blamed for his racial animosities; he is only reacting to four hundred years of the conscious racism of the American whites. But as racism leads America up the suicide path, I do believe, from the experiences that I have had with them, that the whites of the younger generation, in the colleges and universities, will see the handwriting on the walls and many of them will turn to the spiritual path of truth the only way left to America to ward off the disaster that racism inevitably must lead to.


    Never have I been so highly honored. Never have I been made to feel more humble and unworthy. Who would believe the blessings that have been heaped upon an American Negro? A few nights ago, a man who would be called in America a white man, a United Nations diplomat, an ambassador, a companion of kings, gave me his hotel suite, his bed. Never would I have even thought of dreaming that I would ever be a recipient of such honors, honors that in America would be bestowed upon a king not a Negro.

    'All praise is due to Allah, the Lord of all the Worlds, only the mistakes have been mine.'
    I'm not trying to convert anyone to Islam with this post. Just noting that if people take some of the ideas from this article and apply them to their everyday lives, perhaps within generations we can bridge and close many of the gaps we have today.

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    Considering Malcolm X endorsed terrorism, (to a degree,) I don't find that particularly heartwarming.


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    We were truly all the same (brothers) because their belief in one God had removed the white from their minds, the white from their behavior, and the white from their attitude.
    He should have been more concerned with his own racist mind, behavior, and attitude.

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    He did change his views, and ideas a lot, just before, and after visiting mecca. And yes, the letter does carry a posative message.
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    I thought that quote played in very well with the recent thread about the race card, Delphi. I think people think white, or think black or think brown.

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    Then why did he single out the white mind/behavior/attitude and not the black or brown mind/behavior/attitude? He was anti-white and advocated violence to achieve his goals. There's no amount of spinning that anybody can do that will change that fact.

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    I think you were told he advocated violence. Paraphrasing because I don't have the transcripts at home, what he said when asked why he advocated violence was:

    "I'm not telling anyone to hurt anyone. I'm saying that when the white man stops perpetuating violence against the black man, then the black man should put down his guns."

    and followed shortly after with:

    "To ask the black man why he hates the white man is like asking the sheep why it hates the wolf. The white man is in no moral position to ask that question of the black man."

    and when questioned by other black leaders of the time why he preached black pride instead of black rights, his reply was:

    "Historically there were two kinds of ******. The field ****** and the house ******. The house ****** worked in the master's house and slept in the master's house. If the master said, 'I got a nice house here.' the house ****** would reply 'We got a nice house here boss.' If the master was sick the house ****** would say 'What's the matter boss, we sick?' We sick. If a field ****** told the house ****** they were running away he would say 'Why? What can be better than what we got right here?' That's the mentality of the house ******. We still have a lot of 'house ******s' running around today."

    Now I don't claim he didn't hate white people, because he did. But he found something that made him see the error in that.

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    He was just a darker version of the white people he hated, IMO.
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    But he found something that made him see the error in that.
    I'm assuming you mean he converted to Islam. How long before he was killed did he do that? How long after converting did he change his attitude toward whites (I assume it didn't happen immediately).

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    When he came to the true Islam (the Nation of Islam was not Islam and in fact violated most of the Pillars of Islam) was during his pilgrimmage to Mecca when he wrote that letter. He was killed shortly thereafter. His "attitude" change was almost immediate.

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    What's your take on the terrorists that flew the planes into the WTC? Were they from some splinter sect of Islam or were they just misguided zealots?

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    i read half of that message or whatever it was and stopped. i live in nebraska. and im sorry but the only racism left here is in the ones that still think it excists. nobody gives a **** what color you are anymore, its your attitudes that piss me off, white black asian whatever.
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    And whats with all the America bashing? I am a white, American, male, but I am not a christian, nor am I a conservative. I wish people would stop demonizing whites in America. Acually, racism in America is not nearly as bad as it is in most places over seas.

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    I CBF reading that whole letter but I think Malcom X is alright for a black guy....


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    Originally posted by Delphi
    What's your take on the terrorists that flew the planes into the WTC? Were they from some splinter sect of Islam or were they just misguided zealots?
    They are misguided and they are evil. Suicide is explicitly prohibited in the Qur'an and is NOT permissible under ANY circumstances.

    If you feel like reading, here is an article by an Islamic scholar on the subject:

    Invitation to Islam, Issue 5, October 1998

    A bomb goes off in a marketplace in Jerusalem. A suicide bomber launches himself into a bus full of women and children in Tel Aviv. Foreign tourists get massacred at a holiday resort in Luxor, Egypt. Villages upon villages get annihilated in Algeria. The list of events worldwide which have come to symbolise the 'Islamic terror' are endless. From the times in the 70's and 80's when Pan Am and TWA aeroplanes would be highjacked, to the mid 80's in war torn Lebanon where Americans and Europeans would be held as hostages for years; all such incidents have come to be identified with the religion of Islam. Such incidents from past and present have undoubtedly affected Muslims worldwide and more so in the West. Any Muslim, who wants to practice his/her religion and expresses the pious desire to live under the banner of Islam, is labelled a fundamentalist or extremist. Any Muslim man who walks down a busy street in London or Paris (and Paris moreso) with a beard and a scarf on his head, is looked upon as being a terrorist who's probably got an AK47 stashed somewhere on his person. Muslim women who are veiled can't go anywhere in the Western world without being taunted as being oppressed or being mad (for covering up). However, are such beliefs and opinions about Islam really justified?

    Exploding the myth

    One of the many short comings which has arisen in the West, is judging Islam by the conduct of a minority of its people. By doing this, segments of Western society have deliberately played off the desperate actions of many Muslims, and have given it the name of Islam. Such behaviour is clearly not objective and seeks to distort the reality of Islam. For if such a thing was done Judge a religion by the conduct of its people) then we too could say that all Christianity is about is child molesting and homosexuality [1] whilst Hinduism was all about looting and breaking up mosques [2]. Generalising in such a manner is not seen as being objective, yet we find that the Western world is foremost in propagating this outlook on Islam. So what is the reality of Islam? How does one dispel the myths which have been created and spread so viciously? The only way to examine Islam is to simply examine its belief system. Look at its sources, the Qur'an and Sunna, and see what they have to say. This is the way to find the truth about what Islam says about terror, terrorism and terrorists. One who is sincerely searching for the truth, will do it no other way. The very name Islam comes from the Arabic root word 'salama' which means peace. Islam is a religion which is based upon achieving peace through the submission to the will of Allah. Thus, by this very simple linguistic definition, one can ascertain as to what the nature of this religion is. If such a religion is based on the notion of peace, then how is it that so many acts done by its adherents are contrary to peace? The answer is simple. Such actions, if not sanctioned by the religion, have no place with it. They are not Islamic and should not be thought of as Islamic.

    Jihad

    The word jihad sends shivers down the spines of many Westerners. They readily equate this term with violence and oppression. However, it must be said that the meaning of jihad, as a 'holy war', is something which is totally foreign and not from Islam. If anything, such a description belongs more so to Christianity and its adherents. It was terms like this which were used to justify the slaughter and pillage of towns and cities during the crusades by the Christians. By simply looking into the sources of Islam, one is able to know that the true meaning of jihad is to strive/make effort in the way of Allah. Thus striving in the way of Allah can be both peaceful and physical. The Prophet Muhammed (saws) said:

    "The best jihad is (by) the one who strives against his own self for Allah, The Mighty and Majestic" [3]

    In the Qur'an, Allah also says:

    "So obey not the disbelievers, but make a great jihad (effort) against them (by preaching) with it (the Qur'an)"
    (Surah Al-Furqan 25:52)

    By controlling and fighting against ones desires, the Muslims can then also physically exert themselves in the path of Allah. It is this physical or combative jihad which receives so much criticism. Because of the sheer ignorance of this type of jihad Islam is regarded as terror, and Muslims are regarded as terrorists. However, the very purpose of this physical jihad is to raise the word of Allah uppermost. By doing this, it liberates and emancipates all those who are crying out for freedom all over the world. If the likes of the pacifists of this world had their way, then the world would indeed be full of anarchy and mischief. The combative jihad seeks to correct this as Allah says in the Qur'an:

    "And if Allah did not check one set of people by means of another, the Earth would be full of mischief. But Allah is full of bounty to the worlds"
    (Surah Al-Baqarah 2:251)


    Such would be the corruption on this Earth if there had never been a combative jihad that Allah says:

    "For had it not been that Allah checks one set of people by means of another, monasteries, churches, synagogues and mosques, wherein the name of Allah is mentioned much, would surely have been pulled down. Indeed Allah will help those who help His (cause). Truly Allah is All strong, All mighty"
    (Surah Al-Hajj 22:40)

    This combative jihad being both defensive and offensive, is something which is commanded by Allah upon the Muslims. Through this command the oppressed and weak are rescued from the tyranny of the world:


    "And what is the matter with you that you do not fight in the cause of Allah and for those weak, ill treated and oppressed among men, women and children whose only cry is; 'Our Lord, rescue us from this town whose people are oppressors and raise for us from you one who will protect and raise for us from you one who will help"
    (Surah An-Nisa 4:75)


    Anyone who knows the early history of Islam, will know that all those nations and empires which came under the fold of Islam were indeed previously oppressed. When the companions of the Prophet Muhammed (saws) went out for the offensive jihad against the Egyptians, the Persians and the Romans, we find that the people did not resist against them at all. Rather, they accepted Islam on such a scale, that it is inconceivable that the jihad of Islam could be anything other then a liberation for these people; a liberation from centuries of tyranny. In fact, with the Byzantine Egyptians and the people of Spain, the Muslims were even beckoned to come and liberate these lands from the oppression of their kings. This is the glorious track record of the Muslim jihad. Compare this with the brutal track record of warfare in the Western world over the centuries. From the crusades against the Muslims to the days of colonial warfare, the Western world has killed, destroyed and plundered everything which has come in its way. Even today this merciless killing goes on by the Western nations. While claiming to be about world peace and security, Western nations are ready to bomb innocent civilians at the drop of a hat. The classic example of this is the recent bombings of Sudan and Afghanistan. Whilst claiming that Sudan and Afghanistan were havens for Islamic terrorists, the bombings of these two nations could not have come at a better time for the American president Bill Clinton. The destruction of innocent lives which were a result of these bombings clearly seem to have been an attempt by Clinton to avert attention away from his sexual misdemeanours; [4] something which he so often gets caught up in. Without doubt this was the reason for such terror from the American military upon innocent people. This is the same American military which claims to enter the worlds trouble spots under the guise of being peace keepers. But

    "Ö when it is said to them; 'Make not mischief on the Earth', they say; 'We are only peace makers'. Indeed they are the ones who make mischief, but they perceive it not"
    (Surah Al-Baqarah 2:11-12)

    The hypocrisy of the West is indeed astounding.

    By looking at the rules and regulations of this combative jihad it will be clear to any sincere person that this is indeed the religion of truth. When fighting an unjust enemy, no matter how unjust they are, it is forbidden by Islam that their retreating forces are mutilated, tortured or slaughtered. The treacherous violation of treaties and carrying out assassinations after a cease fire, are also prohibited. Allah says in the Qur'an:


    "And fight in the way of Allah those who fight you. But do not transgress the limits. Truly Allah loves not the transgressors"
    (Surah Al-Baqarah 2:190)

    Not transgressing the limits means not to kill women and children, for the Messenger of Allah (saws) "forbade the killing of women and children" [5]. Not transgressing the limits means that the elderly, the sick, monks, worshippers and hired labourers are not attacked. Not transgressing the limits means not killing animals wantonly, burning crops and vegetation, polluting waters and destroying homes, monasteries, churches and synagogues:

    "Allah does not forbid you to deal justly and kindly with those who fought not against you on account of religion, nor drove you out of your homes. Indeed, Allah loves those who deal with equity"
    (Surah Al-Mumtahinah 60:8)

    After reading such passages from the Qur'an and knowing about what Islam commands and prohibits in jihad, the rules of warfare are given a new meaning; a meaning of justice. How sad it is then, that whilst Islam is condemned for striking terror into the hearts of the people, the likes of the Serbs, the Indian army in Kashmir and the Israeli soldiers in Palestine are left untarnished for the atrocities they have committed in the name of warfare.

    So what about suicide bombing, is this too a part of jihad in Allah's path? From what has already been stated above, it can be deduced that this is not from the religion. However, unfortunately many Muslims have taken suicide bombing as being a virtuous act by which one receives reward. This could not be further from the truth. The Prophet (saws) said: "Those who go to extremes are destroyed" [6]. Suicide bombing is undoubtedly an extremity which has reached the ranks of the Muslims. In the rules of warfare, we find no sanction for such an act from the behaviour and words of the Prophet Muhammed (saws) and his companions. Unfortunately, today (some misguided) Muslims believe that such acts are paving the way for an Islamic revival and a return to the rule of Islam's glorious law. However, we fail to bear in mind that the Prophet (saws) said:

    "Do not be delighted by the action of anyone, until you see how he ends up" [7]

    So, for example what is the end of a suicide bomber in Palestine?, a leg here, an arm there. Massive retaliation by the Israeli's in the West Bank and Gaza. More Muslims killed and persecuted. How can we be delighted with such an end? What really hammers the final nail in the coffin of this act, is that it is suicide; something which is clearly forbidden in Islam. The Messenger of Allah (saws) said:

    "He who kills himself with anything, Allah will torment him with that in the fire of Hell" [8]

    Some are under the misconception that by killing oneself for an Islamic cause, one commits an act which deserves Paradise. Once when a man killed himself, the Prophet (saws) said: "He is a dweller of the Fire". When the people were surprised at this, the Prophet (saws) said:

    "A person performs the deeds which to the people appears to be the deeds befitting the dweller of Paradise, but he is in fact one of the dwellers of the Fire" [9]

    The taking of ones life which Allah has given as a trust to the human, is a great sin. Likewise the taking of other lives (which is so often the case with suicide bombing) is also forbidden, as human life is indeed precious:

    "...If anyone killed a person not in retaliation for murder or to spread mischief in the land, it would be as if he killed the whole of mankind. And (likewise) if anyone saved a life, it would be as if he saved the whole of mankind"
    (Surah Al-Maaida 5:32)

    Thus, all other types of extremities such as hostage taking, hijacking and planting bombs in public places, are clearly forbidden in Islam.

    The Media

    By going through the teachings of Islam, it is clear that such a religion has only come to benefit mankind - not to destroy it. So why is there so much hatred for this noble religion in the West? The answer is simple, the media. It is the Jewish influenced media of the West which has portrayed Islam to be something that it is not. During the 70's and 80's when the PLO (Palestine Liberation Organisation) were carrying out daring highjacks on the worlds airways, the media in the West portrayed it as being Islamic. When the Shi'ite suicide bombers of the 80's were causing so much havoc in the Lebanon and in the Gulf region, the media in the West portrayed it as a part of Islam. However, it is known by the heads of the media that the likes of the PLO were not an Islamic organisation, and that according to Islam, Shi'ites are outside the fold of Islam [10]. Yet such facts are never portrayed by a media which seeks to cover the truth of this religion. A number of years ago, when the Oklahoma City bomb went off, a headline in one of the newspapers, 'Today' [11], summed up this attitude. With a picture of a fire fighter holding a dead child in his arms, the headline read: "In The Name of Islam" Time has of course proven that this bigoted assumption was incorrect, as Timothy McVeigh, a right wing radical now faces the death penalty for the crime [12]. Likewise the bombs which went off in the Paris metro in 1995, were also blamed on Muslim fanatics. It has now emerged that the Algerian secret service who having routinely bribed many European journalists and MPs, were actually behind it. The desire to throw a veil over Islam is immense by these people:

    "They intend to put out the light of Allah with their mouths, but Allah will complete His light even though the disbelievers hate (it)"
    (Surah As-Saff 61:8)

    Whilst trying to destroy Islam through this instrument of the media, the Jews clearly try to portray an image of themselves as being the oppressed people. Every year, we are reminded as to how many Jews perished under the Nazis in World War II. We are made to feel sorry for these same people who have gone on to commit so many crimes upon the Palestinian people. Some may say that this is a racist and biased viewpoint. But we say; If this media was not run and orchestrated by the Jews and was truly neutral, then why are Menachem Begin and Yitzhak Shamir, two former Israeli prime ministers, not held aloft as being terrorists? Anyone who knows about the history of the Palestinian occupation will tell you that these two men were members of the Stern Gang and Irgun, two notorious Jewish terror groups who killed many innocent people [13]. If this media was truly impartial, then why does it not tell about the extent of the Israeli bombardment and illegal occupation of Southern Lebanon and its people? [14] And if this media really had nothing against the religion of Allah, then why does it not inform the people that every day hundreds are entering the religion of Islam? Such things will never be highlighted in the Western media, simply because to do so would be against their very interests.

    With such immense pressure against it, it is indeed a blessing from Allah that Islam goes from strength to strength. It continues to grow faster then any other religion in the Western world, conquering the hearts and minds of thousands. All this should not even surprise us though, for Allah has promised us that this religion will prevail:

    "It is He who has sent His Messenger with the guidance and the religion of truth, so that He may make it victorious over all other religions, even though the disbelievers detest it"
    (Surah As-Saff 61:9)

    It is a must that humanity comes towards the religion of Islam. Without it, we will continue to slip down the road of inequity and darkness. With it we can establish a society of justice and peace. Religion of terror? ... no. The way forward? ... yes.

    "There is no compulsion in religion. The right path has indeed become distinct from the wrong. So whoever rejects false worship and believes in Allah, then he has grasped the most trustworthy handhold that will never break. And Allah is All Hearing, All Knowing"
    (Surah Al-Baqarah 2:256)

    Footnotes

    1 By using the many cases of child abuse and homosexuality by priests, Such a generalisation about Christianity could be made
    2 By using the incident of the destruction of the Babri mosque in Ayodya, India in December 1992 by Hindu zealots, such generalisations could be made about Hinduism
    3 Authentic - Reported by At-Tabaranee
    4 Years of sexual liaison with a White House aide, Monica Lewinski, has been proved against Mr Clinton. Since this time, a number of other women have also claimed that they have had affairs with the president. And this is the same man who propagates family values and to whom millions look up to!
    5 Reported by Bukhari - Eng. Trans, Vol.4, p. 160, No. 258
    6 Authentic - Reported by Ahmed
    7 Authentic - Reported by Ahmed
    8 Reported by Muslim - Eng. Trans, Vol. 1, p.62, No.203
    9 Reported by Muslim - Eng. Trans, Vol. 1, p.64, No.206
    10 The beliefs which are contained in the books of the Shi'ites places them outside of the fold of Islam generally. However, upon the individual Shi'ite, the proofs need to be established before one can say that he or she is a disbeliever
    11 This newspaper no longer exists
    12 It is strange indeed that whilst the Western media criticises Islamic law for being barbaric and harsh, not a word is said about the fact that McVeigh too will be executed just as someone would in an Islamic state
    13 These two groups killed Arabs, Jews and the British. They are accredited with the massacre at the village of Deir Yassin, in which many innocent people were butchered
    14 Despite the fact that the UN has even made a resolution against Israel for this illegal occupation, no 'democratic peace loving nation' (like the USA!!) has bothered to implement it

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    but how come it isnt Terrorism when we bomb the wrong target and civilians in Nam, iraq, where ever? why is that? ahhh because when white people fight it is a necessarry war, and not terrorism, ofcourse not, we are white, how could I.
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    I find it hard to believe that you don't know the difference between terrorism and hitting the wrong target. Also, Vietnam and the Gulf War were not race conflicts between whites and nonwhites. Your statements don't make any logical sense to me.

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    Rock. Calm down.

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    Originally posted by Rock
    but how come it isnt Terrorism when we bomb the wrong target and civilians in Nam, iraq, where ever? why is that? ahhh because when white people fight it is a necessarry war, and not terrorism, ofcourse not, we are white, how could I.
    you're talking out of your ass again stein...get your facts straight for once...thnx
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    but how come it isnt Terrorism when we bomb the wrong target and civilians in Nam, iraq, where ever? why is that? ahhh because when white people fight it is a necessarry war, and not terrorism, ofcourse not, we are white, how could I.
    Because there was no intention to bomb those sites. It was an accident, not malicious. On the other hand the WTC attacks were planned out right malicious attacks, they were not an accident.
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    Originally posted by Saturday Fever


    They are misguided and they are evil. Suicide is explicitly prohibited in the Qur'an and is NOT permissible under ANY circumstances.

    If you feel like reading, here is an article by an Islamic scholar on the subject:

    That article is racist and biased. There are two entire paragraphs in there which are nothing more than Jew-bashing. If you are going to post such articles to back up your argument, don't start such arguments in the first place. BTW your facts are flawed. Throughout history, one can find many instances where "the limits were transgressed" by Islam.tuttut
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    sorry Pup, but for me whenever innocent people are murdered in a larger scale, its terrorism, no matter what religion or color they have.
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    Originally posted by Rock
    sorry Pup, but for me whenever innocent people are murdered in a larger scale, its terrorism, no matter what religion or color they have.

    Rock, do you actually think BEFORE you post? Terrorism is a DELIBERATE act. NOT AN ACCIDENT! Do you understand now? BTW what does a "larger scale" have to do with anything? Are you saying that if one person is killed by a terrorist that's not terrorism? I am aware that English is not your first language Rock, but your post above makes absolutely no sense in any language.

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    I read Malcolm X's autobiography, and to his credit, I must say that late in his life, he started to realize that a certain race is not the problem, it is individuals who are the problem. That passage from the book was from very late in his life.

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    ExtremeAnabolic, most humans want peace, all over the world, once you realize this, you also realize that conflicts can be solved by communication and not by a gun.

    I have said many times, that I love the states, I want to study in california, I watch american tv, movies, its wonderfull, but I dislike the current leaders, anybody who wants to wave a unecessary war for their own good is somebody who is a danger for the world.

    Does not the movies 4th of july, casualties of war, Deer Hunter, Platoon mean anything? does it just pass trough your head like air? Answer that ExtremeAnabolic, with some other agrument then me being stupid, I never said the world was smart.
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