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The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness

Itís no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

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    Debate I was reading.

    I couldn't help it, I had to check out sosuave.com. Decent site too, IMO. There was this debate going...

    Nice Guys Vs. Jerks, which do women prefer?

    Gotta ask, out of the few women on this board, which do you tend to lean toward? Granted, I think the majority of you are 21 and over, so you tend to be a bit more "grown up" about the relationship standpoint... I'd think, anyway. Nice guy, or the jerk?

    I agree with the statement that said, A guy that is both a nice guy, and a little bit of jerk has the most success. Meaning, I'm da **** in public... but with her in the privacy of everything, sensitive.

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    Well, I don't put up with jerks myself. But the word "jerk" makes me think a-hole, so maybe that slants the question a little bit.

    I think ppl go through phases where they are attracted to jerks (or *****es, depending on who you are) for a variety of reasons. But most people grow out of that or get tired of the "drama."

    I've said I don't like jerks, but I also have noticed that I like people with strong personalities, not SO nice that they can't push back at me or fight it out with me when I need that. BUT there are mature ways vs. jerk ways I tend to be a dominant personality so I need someone who can handle that...on the other hand, one of my best friends is a guy I dated who was also a very dominant personality and all we did was clash on everything...turned out we were better off as friends.

    Does any of this make sense? Not sure if I answered your question...

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    Well, it made sense...

    But not totally. I will never understand the whole relationship scene. Just gonna wait and hope I find that girl who likes "nice" guys only... I can't stand to show even a tinge of arrogance.
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    well killa.....i think it depends on what you call a jerk...

    a guy who kicks animals? No

    a guy who lies, or treats waitstaff with disrespect...No

    actually...no..i don't really like jerks at all......I like guys with who are wisea$$es, and guys that make me laugh and can be sarcastic....but they have to be respectful of other human beings, myself included...and have honor.

    but it goes deeper than just, oh he's a jerk, i think i'll date him.....a lot of times girls are attracted to that, either, because a. it's got some sense of danger....or b. they have their own self-esteem issues. I think it's mostly b. These guys fuel the subconcious self-opinions these girls have...they give it backup....and even if outwardly it seems like they are hurting themselves....their egos are eating it up...why? because it proves that what they think is right. If there is one thing all humans love...it is to be correct in their perceptions. *lol* whether they will admit to it or not. why else would you waste your time with some person that doesn't nurture you? because you don't feel you deserve nurturing.
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    I agree with you, Yaz. Arrogance is really not a positive quality. Confidence in and comfort with yourself is good, but thinking you're the greatest thing since frozen pizza is a big turn-off!

    There ARE a lot of girls out there who like "nice guys," but maybe they're not the one's calling attention to themselves...they're probably out there wondering "doesn't anyone want to date a nice girl?"

    LOL! You'd think we'd all figure out a better way to sort ourselves out, eh?
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    Jerk... guess I was vague.

    I guess you can say, the guy that sets his own rules. She won't make the call, all of the time. If he wants to be out with his buddies, it may very well be so that the woman doesn't get "picked" this time around. Sarcastic, witty, always something colorful to say... though never "disrespectful". Guy that doesn't hide his sexuality because he thinks it'll put a woman off - But rather, thinks to himself "This is me. I'm feeling like this... if she doesn't like it/can't accept it, #%$! her... I'll find someone who can."

    And NO cat kicking!

    Guess that is what I mean.
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    congrats, u read the rest of the site...
    "The whole jedi thing was just not compatible with my lifestyle. My master was jelous he was always holding me back, -"be mindfull of the future, but live in the present"- what the hell does that mean? I even got my arm cut off...it just sucked. So i switched to the dark side and i havent looked back once...Now i am shooting lightning from my fingertips, choking people over the phone, i even get to wear a cape.....its just boss. My name is Anikin skywalker and i am a sith lord."

    "i have the sex drive of 10 rabbits on viagra"

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    Originally posted by Yaz
    Jerk... guess I was vague.

    I guess you can say, the guy that sets his own rules. She won't make the call, all of the time. If he wants to be out with his buddies, it may very well be so that the woman doesn't get "picked" this time around. Sarcastic, witty, always something colorful to say... though never "disrespectful". Guy that doesn't hide his sexuality because he thinks it'll put a woman off - But rather, thinks to himself "This is me. I'm feeling like this... if she doesn't like it/can't accept it, #%$! her... I'll find someone who can."

    And NO cat kicking!

    Guess that is what I mean.
    wait....is that what you mean by jerk? *confrewsed* that sounds like a cool guy to me....

    actually the time out with his boys thing is cool....I would rather a guy have his world and his time rather then trying to be up under me 24/7. That's irritating.....and yes..most importantly be TRUE to YOURSELF. if you are not, well, you're just a poser then.
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    wut he means with the jerk is that:
    the jerk displays these qualities of having independence and courage, but then they screw the gurl and then bounce the next minute.

    BTW the site actually helpe me alot
    "The whole jedi thing was just not compatible with my lifestyle. My master was jelous he was always holding me back, -"be mindfull of the future, but live in the present"- what the hell does that mean? I even got my arm cut off...it just sucked. So i switched to the dark side and i havent looked back once...Now i am shooting lightning from my fingertips, choking people over the phone, i even get to wear a cape.....its just boss. My name is Anikin skywalker and i am a sith lord."

    "i have the sex drive of 10 rabbits on viagra"

    age: 19
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    weight: 159-165 lbs (morning and day)
    bodyfat: 8.6
    bench:315
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    goals for end of the year 405/500/600 at 170-175(with the 8pack)

    other: dips 3 and a quarter plates for 4 reps

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    Bahaha, Tryska said poser...

    Anyway, I don't know WHAT it is, but I seem to have the worst luck. I'm beginning to wonder if it's personality issues that need dealt with. I have always thought myself to be a bit quiet at times... until of course, I've gotten through the initial discomfort of first meeting up, and trying to make a good first impression. Maybe that's it right there - Trying too hard. But after spending 3 years by yourself, getting back into relationships... and shortly thereafter being burned again, then once more for good measure... sorta takes the fight out of ya, you know?

    It's me reading, and finally realizing ... Damn, I haven't even found close to what I was looking for. And that fookin' feeling of emptiness, 'cause there is no 'last call of the night'.

    Hope that wasn't too emotional... lol.

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    well killa.....all you can do is be yourself.....you can't TRY...because then your not really being true, you know?

    personally...what I know of you, I think you are a really great guy......funny, witty...smart....and respectful.....okay..so you occassionally go on a roid rage..but hey..everyone's got their little flaws right?? I'm messing with ya......like i've said before...I think the right girl shows up when you least expect it....question? what's your zodiac sign? (don't laugh - it will make sense in a minute)
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    Leo.

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    one of the best advise i could give u from pook's knowledge

    There is a prize to the person who correctly answers this question, What is a Man? When asked what they want in a guy, women say simply, "A MAN!" But, alas!, real men are becoming more and more rare these days. Women are tired of the sensative wimps who have no backbones. One women even wrote a song about the subject, "Where have all the cowboys gone?"
    So what is a Man? How should he act? Decades and centuries ago, the question was nonsense. But today in our feminized culture (this may be more in America then in other countries), most of us have been raised to believe that there is something inherently wrong with being a man and acting the way how a man should act. No wonder males don't know how to act around women! No wonder websites like these exist!

    Indeed, I embarked on this mystery to find out the answer to this question. Several women were bunched up in a group, gossiping and yapping about cute boys, fashion, relationships i.e. nothing. This behavior extends to all women of all cultures (and also different animal species. Cows group together and moo and gnaw on grass and take notice of bulls brave enough to approach the group).

    I approach. "How are you, ladies!! I am the Pook."

    A woman squeals. "Oh! It's a Pook!" The others squeal in unison.

    Once the ladies calm themselves after being in the presence of a Pook, I ask them, "Ladies! Do tell me, what do you define as a Man?"

    With devilish tongues, the women answer:

    "A Man is someone sensative to me."
    "A Man is the guy who will take care of my needs."
    "A Man is the one that is in tune with my feelings."
    "A Man is one who doesn't have an ego."
    "A Man is the guy who will sit and watch chick flicks all day with me."
    "A Man is the guy who will go shopping with me."
    "A Man is the guy who will share all his feelings with me."

    Such are the common answers! The males listen and actualize what the women say. They are constantly declared 'sweet' and 'wonderful' and 'nice', oh 'so nice'. Mothers and older women are proud of them and tell them, "If I were younger, I would go for you!"

    Poor Nice Guy! The women his own age avoid him like the plague and jump for the jerks. The Nice Guy becomes an emotional tampon to be used and discarded. The Nice Guy, being so nice and sweet, listens to the woman vomit her feelings about men and bleed her problems of her boyfriend on him. He listens with baited hope when he hears, "Oh, why can't guys be like you! You listen and understand." Then she turns around and gets abused by another jerk! The vicious cycle repeats again and again.

    Why are women acting in this way?

    They are simply acting as women do, as in their nature. The problem is not with them, it is with guys. We are afraid to embrace OUR nature, that of being a Man. Being in a culture that sees Manhood as predatory and oppressive and uncouth, we cover it up within ourselves. By doing so, we hide our sexuality. (Sexuality! Do I mean rock hard abs and rippling muscles? That is not what women find sexy [it's a contributing factor, not the core]. A type of PERSONALITY is what women are looking for. Someone they can depend on [has backbone], someone who will be successful [has ambition], and someone who is decisive [has charge]. Nice guys have no backbone because they think women are frail things that will break in confrontation; nice guys reveal no ambition because they fear being seen as arrogant to women; nice guys are afraid to be decisive for fear of being seen as 'oppressive'.)

    Two poles of thought men drift into: the Nice Guy and the Jerk. Both blame the other.

    "You ruin the women with your lack of commitment and unappreciative nature," says the Nice Guy.

    "You spoil the women with your endless listening ear and stupid caring attitude," replies the Jerk.

    The two endlessly war. Those on the sidelines have their own conclusions. One side says, "The Jerk is the way to go. Ceaseless sex! Evolution demands it." The other side says, "The Nice Guy is the way to go. Glorious relationship! Society demands it."

    But the two still argue.

    "You cause the women to think they are in control," says the Jerk.

    "Ahh, but you cause the women to think all men are scum," replies the Nice Guy.

    Is there not an end to the Nice Guy vs.Jerk debate? Are these the only choices?

    The Cycle

    The Nice Guy emerges. He is tenderized and wants to shout in every woman's ear "I will not abuse you. I am sweet and good. Based on that alone you should date me." When the Nice Guy talks to the girl on a date, *poof*, the date turns into Oprah. "Oh, my life has been SO downhill from here," the Nice Guy whines. "My little girly car was slashed, I failed my classes, but because of you this day has been so much better." Then the Nice Guy goes, "Let me tell you my life story. My birth was long, hard, and painful for my mother..." Our culture has become so feminized that the Nice Guy thinks it is proper to vomit his feelings and emotions all over the place. (It's gross!) Women, rightfully, run for the hills when they hear your declarations of love.

    The Metamorphosis comes. The Nice Guy eventually realizes what all the ladies want, becomes bitter, and changes himself into a Jerk. His goal now is to sleep with as many women as possible and figure out all the tricks and tactics to do so. He focuses on calculation rather then natural joy. When a woman comes, he pulls out a chart of all the 'moves' and 'tactics' with arrows and patterns. He unleashes his lap top, accesses a Lay Guide, and reviews his strategy. Time passes and once was fun becomes meaningless.

    Back to being nice. He sees it now as turning on Nice Guy or turning on Jerk. "Why can't I just be myself!?" he soon thunders at Reality.

    Just be a Man! There is no need to reprogram yourself. You will have the interests you have, the hobbies you have, the body you have, but you can easily become a MAN. It is all simply in the way how you think and as you think you shall become. But what is Man? Shall we have the answer? Here it is:

    A Man is a guy who is not scared of his testosterone!

    A Man follows the passion in his life. Passion of women? Of course not. A Man has goals and desires that goes above that of chasing chicks. After childhood, there are TRUE winners and losers in life. A Man desires to be the winner. A Man WANTS to win in what he does. Because of his passion, a Man can sometimes come off as arrogant and egotistical. He does not apologize for this or for his desires.

    "It is your actions that cause the disgrace of Men," says the Nice Guy.

    "It is yours," replies the Jerk.

    No, gentlemen, the disgrace of men is in not embracing your true nature: following your passion and, thus, loving life. Women are to enhance your life, not to be your life. So to the Nice Guy, stop placing your happiness on getting a girlfriend. To the Jerk, quit wasting your life on seduction. Don't SPEND your time chasing girls, INVEST it by putting it into your interests and desires, thus the whole of your life.

    When you do this, all of a sudden you have what every woman wants: Ambition, charge, decisiveness, backbone, kindness, stableness, and confidence.

    I want you to read what a women posted as what SHE thought was a great guy. (Focus on what I put in BOLD)


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    "Qualifications" of a great guy"
    1)Physical
    A bit athletic so he's in shape and a good complexion(If he can help it). Very focused, intelligent eyes which pay attention to whoever deserves it. Hair that can be tossled...and a relaxed, but tidy wardrobe.
    2)Emotional
    His attitude has gotta be mostly deterministic and level-headed. If crappy stuff happens to him...he should roll with the punches and learn from it. If he ends up doing crappy stuff then he should get up, brush off and be a better guy the next time round.
    -He must also have deep convictions: he should NEVER give up his ideals or morals for anything.
    -I know it sounds cheezy, but he must be respectful to his mother(it reflects character)...even if she is witchy like some moms these days.
    -And of course:sense of humor, artistic, and an awesome boyfriend.

    3)Social
    A great guy is the one who offers the girls a chair, opens doors etc.(But isn't a total flirt--he just considers it his duty.)
    -A guy should clean up his language around girls.
    -He should stand up for people who are being bashed in conversations. That's important to us girls b/c back-stabbing is common among us--and we REALLY notice when somebody isn't a gossip.
    -Aaaand my personal thing is that he should be the guy who "could" be the center of attention...but he prefers to hang out with the few guys in the back who are his genuine friends.
    Phew...I hope this helped a bit. Physique: as long as it's within the usual bounds is pretty much unimportant.
    If you want to get a really great girl...start working on your character and self-control--(not b/c it's you, but b/c those two things are REALLY uncommon these days)--because a great girl is one who's been working on that already and she'll recognize it in you.


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    A Man has character and deep convictions. He has PASSION in life about something. It is this passion that transforms his life, gives him confidence, and gives him joy. It is this PASSION that will give you that right mindset for you have goals and dreams that go beyond chicks.

    Remember, if you cannot command respect, you cannot attract love. If you cannot be respected, women will ignore you and/or abuse you.

    Once upon a time, there was a little boy who was scrawny, cried easily, and was a total wuss. At the age of ten, his father looked down at him disapprovingly. "You are such a wimp!" he scolded at his son. The boy cried but eventually discovered what was wrong with him. He worked out, studied, and utilized himself. He went around the world in the most ferocious quests. He became strong and powerful. He entered politics and became an unstoppable force. He would be shot when giving a speech, but he would pull himself back up to continue the speech!

    He was President Teddy Roosevelt, one of the more significant characters in America. If that little wimpy boy could become such a character, anyone can be a Man.

    What do guys today do? We try to hide our strength and express our 'femininity'. Take an example of guys: early on in a relationship, they will show how 'great' they are by cooking for the woman!

    As Anti-Dump said:


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    Real men are not available. They are climbing mountains. They are swimming across rivers. What are YOU doing? Making spagetti?!?!?!
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    A Man,

    -Does not go through life walking on eggshells.

    Nice Guys think, "Does she like me? How do I get her to like me?" Good guys think, "Should I like her? Should I go for her?" The Good guy doesn't think about the girl's interest until they're dating. The Good guy looks at all the girls and TAKES what he wants.

    -Focuses on his dreams.

    No, this does not include the chick. You must have passion for something in life, something you even want to do for the rest of your life. Your romantic life is an echo of your regular life.

    -Does not apologize for his testosterone, for his desires.

    "Oh, I am so sorry, ladies! I am afflicted with this disease known as M.A.L.E. It is natural for me to glance at you, your oh so curvaceous body. I am soooo sorry. Please, please FORGIVE ME!"

    Would a WOMAN apologize for her feminine acts? So why should YOU apologize for your masculinity?

    -Tries to always win in what he does. (After childhood, there are real winners and losers in life.)

    Men build towers; women build webs. If you aren't constructing your tower or aren't even planning it, why should she cast her web at you? If you want worthy chicks, you, yourself, must strive to become worthy.

    -Has deep convictions that allows him to be a possible leader.

    This is crucial because one day you will become the leader of your own household. Yes, we talk of 50/50, of everything being equal, but Nature's laws surpass that of Humans. Women naturally submit and nurture, Men naturally lead and provide.

    If you were a woman, would YOU want a Nice Guy in charge of your household? Or would you want A MAN?

    -Seeks to solve problems then to place blame.

    If there is a problem, you solve it. You do not go, "Oh, BOO HOO! This was because of HIM." A woman naturally wants a guy who deals with problems, not pass them along. (Would you want that in your woman? Of course not!)

    -Sees failure as only a temporary set-back to the inevitable.

    Statistically, you're more likely to be REJECTED then to be ACCEPTED. So how do you become more and more accepted and have lots of girls? It is when you increase your trying so much that the acception rate satisfies you and you don't notice the rejections.

    Napoleon Hill's book interviewing extremely successful people, these men of destiny did not let failure destroy them. Indeed, Napoleon concludes that Destiny puts out these trials and failures to TEST the men if they are proper and FIT for their role in shaping history.

    -Knows where he is going in Life.

    True seduction isn't calculation or painful discipline, it is the same as with everything that makes a success: A Passion for Life.

    -Never loses his passion, for that would be the death of his soul.

    Nice Guys HATE bachelorhood. They HATE, HATE, HATE it sooo much. Some even wish for the old days of arranged marriages so they wouldn't have to put up with all the games.

    Jerks LOVE bachelorhood so much they can't see anything else in life. While women love guys that can get women, jerks offer nothing worthwile long term wise.

    Alas, the women always try to change the Jerk but never the Nice Guy. Why? Because a Man is STRENGTH and a Jerk displays strength on some level. Nice Guys never do.

    -Never feels he has to prove himself to anyone.

    Flowers, candy, poetry all can be good additions to a relationship, but so many nice guys use them to BUY the relationship as if they must prove themselves. They flood with the poor woman with gifts to show they mean it.

    So away with the flowers, those dead plants as tokens of affection. Away with the choclate, the candy, and sweets, those sugary pursuits to purchase love. Away with the poety, those rotten verses of declarations of love. Away with the quest to prove YOURSELF and let her prove HERSELF to you for YOU are the Don Juan.

    Be a Man! And with it, you will advance in your career, your social life, and even your dealings with women. Men are very rare these days so if you become one, you will be in HIGH demand. Your career will become better as people look at you as a leader. Life will re-develop before your eyes for you will obtain the most single quality that men, not trophy husbands, not nice guys, not tactiful players, but men have a monopoly on: Respect.

    YOU are the MAN! For if you don't STAND for something, you shall FALL for everything!


    -written by pook
    "The whole jedi thing was just not compatible with my lifestyle. My master was jelous he was always holding me back, -"be mindfull of the future, but live in the present"- what the hell does that mean? I even got my arm cut off...it just sucked. So i switched to the dark side and i havent looked back once...Now i am shooting lightning from my fingertips, choking people over the phone, i even get to wear a cape.....its just boss. My name is Anikin skywalker and i am a sith lord."

    "i have the sex drive of 10 rabbits on viagra"

    age: 19
    height: 5'8'' (im lieing its probably 5'7'')
    weight: 159-165 lbs (morning and day)
    bodyfat: 8.6
    bench:315
    squat:405
    Deadlift:500

    goals for end of the year 405/500/600 at 170-175(with the 8pack)

    other: dips 3 and a quarter plates for 4 reps

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    So the REAL question is what do gay men prefer? The NICE guy or the Jerk? The guy that will lovingly coat the tip with KY, or the guy that will just slam it home.. Okay, that was really disgusting. But seriously, Cack, what do gay men prefer?
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    ~This is something wussy people say to feel better about themselves...

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    That was deep prince......

    and I agree with just about all of it.....i'm wary that guys will take that overly literally as well and turn into tyrants..but then that would be being a jerk huh? I personally think the truth of that advice should be applied to Humans...not just men....but women too. ANd the poertry thing..well...don't lose that, if that's how you are creatively inclined.....but don't use it to get chicks, liek he said..use it to express yourself..*lol*


    and Yaz.....leo huh? you are a strong guy...don't let that anger overpower you though, and try to handle the vanity as best you can... you need to look at aries and sagittarius women......they will understand you best....next comes aquarius, gemini and libra....you'll like scorpio chicks, but you are aksing for trouble...*lol* I think you just need to grow into yourself.....don't focus on chicks so much...kinda like what prince just said....Build your tower....when it's at a decent point...the chicks will come....plus...be choosy for yourself...evaluate a woman, and decide if she's right for you...for the qualities you desire.....don't aim so hard to please her...otherwise you might end up with bunk, because you were focusing so hard on being the right man for her, that you never found out fi she was the right chick for you, you know what i mean?
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    I agree with what Tryska said...be yourself above all else. If someone doesn't like the real you, they aren't the right one.

    And don't worry about considering yourself quiet and then sometimes not quiet...most people have different, often opposite sides to their personalities that emerge in different situations. The fact that you're thinking about all this stuff shows a lot of depth and self-knowledge

    Personally I think that if men and women stopped acting like we're two different species from two different planets and just talked to each other straight up, we'd be a lot better off It's the posing and games and dishonesty that make everybody crazy.

    Leo, eh? I have had a few fine Leo boyfriends....

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    Gyno - Sometimes you scare me......

    Tryska and IceR, yeah... I get what you mean. Sometimes we aim so hard to impress, and we don't really take into account our individual needs. I am guilty of this, to the extreme. When in a relationship, I can be the most selfless person on the planet (Exaggerated, but you get my drift...), alone, I am probably one of the more selfish, self indulgant people around, lol.

    Like now... after being burned twice in the period of 3 months, and burned bad mind you (The first time, the second was no surprise...), I seem to have just withdrawn from even trying to communicate. I won't even look another female in the eye, despite the fact she may be even interested. No smiles, nada. Because I don't trust anyone, for anything. Shaft end has been dealt out on numerous occassions, and there comes a point where it almost seems better to just say forget it - And become totally 100% independant. Truth is, even that gets lonely. If some of us could get over our "What if" complex, and be able to say we actually know the answer now - Be a lot better place for many people.

    Strange thing for me is, I've never had a relationship that ended where I actually saw any part of it deteriorate. Leads me to believe, I am too agreeable of a person... and it may get irritating for the partner.

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    yaz...be yerself like they said...don't worry about zodiac bs...to much shiat to worry about already...if someone don't like you cuz of the way you are the don't waste time with them...if you try and get an answer to this question you might as well stick a pistol to yer head and blast yerself...you'll only go nuts...keep lifting and make sure you socialize...you'll meet a girl...it's only when you think about it too much that it'll drive you nuts...in time things happen...

    oh and stay off the gear FOO!!!

    ...chicks don't usually take to guys with test levels through the roof going into roid rage over burnt toast...

    ...erm actually there prolly are chicks that like that...the point is don't classify what chicks want/don't want....some hotties like fat guys, others like musclebound...others like...etc...etc...can't generalize taste
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    Yaz.....maybe you need time to be withdrawn and rebuild..there is nothing wrong with that...just don't let it become a lifestyle.....besides, i'm sure when you've sorted through all the messed up emotions, you'll be willing to socialize with females again......just focus on you and doing your thing in the meantime....

    and your right...if you had no idea that things weren't going right, perhaps you were focusing so much on her, you blocked out other stuff, you know? never lose yourself to a relationship.....it takes 2 whole people to be in one.....
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    I'M NOT ON GEAR I DON'T HAVE ROID RAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Thanks for all the replies, btw.


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    Originally posted by Yaz
    I'M NOT ON GEAR I DON'T HAVE ROID RAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!


    *lol* see how easy it is to start rumors??
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    El Pietro, we're just amusing ourselves with the zodiac thing...I don't think we're saying that it what you should look for

    Yaz, sounds like you've learned a lot about yourself and you just need some time to let things settle out. Some of the most interesting periods of my life have been when I was not in a relationship and was just able to explore stuff on my own without having to worry about pleasing anyone but myself.

    It seems like you bump into the right people when you're not paying attention and it just "happens." And you are right about having to find a balance between your own needs and another persons...too much of one or the other is trouble.

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    Yaz get your doctor to prescribe some estrogen pills for you. I think they'll go a long way.

    PS. if you give up on women you can always OD on estrogen and play with your newly formed breasts.
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    What the..................

    I need a girl, now.

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