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    Narrow-minded eh?

    For which, the part where I said Males dominate sports? Please tell me that's not what you were talking about...

    Or...

    The fact that women and men are pretty much equal. Sure, men still have an advantage all over, in almost every aspect, but that gap is closing.

    Do you not agree that women have a lot more rights than they did 50 or even 20 years ago? Women can pretty much do anything that they want, besides being President...

    As for whoever said the WNBA/NBA attendence comment (Sorry, I forgot who said it)

    I don't know the attendence numbers, although I'm sure they're staggering, but I do know payroll numbers...

    I saw on ESPN.com the other day that the WNBA payroll is something like $10 million, may have been $20 million, so we'll go with that.

    That's the entire WNBA payroll, while in the NBA, Kevin Garnett of the Minnesota Timberwolves is being paid close to $30 million a year...

    That fact alone tips the scales in the charts that map what men make vs. what women make a year. It's all demand, people demand men's sports, not women's.

    Sorry if I got off topic, and I don't intend to flame anyone, so if I did...

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    Originally posted by Reinier
    The discrimination of women because their household work is not shared with their partner and is not appreciated is the WOMANs own damn fault. after all, she accepted it that first time that her man came home after she worked hard all day and he sits on the couch with his feet up and tells her to get him a beer and "wheres my dinner bitch" etc

    She married that asshole. She puts up with it. she could go out there and find a man who is worth his salt.
    dont tell me ahh but divorce is hard and there are kids etc. she knew before she got stuck what he was like. she accepted it. now she shouldn`t whine.

    I can't agree with this. I guess when women get raped they did something to deserve it, too.
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    Originally posted by Tryska
    so question....if they didn't allow black men (was that augusta national too, pre-tiger?) would that be okay?

    i don't mind a little domination here and there.

    if thats the club policy you bet your ass it's ok...

    if people thought it was racist(which it sure sounds like it), then they would exercise their freedom of choice by not joining that club

    if black men felt the need to get even, then they could sure as hell start up a black only club.

    thats the beauty of the private sector, well, in the prototypical mode, you can design your business however you feel.
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    Originally posted by MrWebb78



    if thats the club policy you bet your ass it's ok...

    if people thought it was racist(which it sure sounds like it), then they would exercise their freedom of choice by not joining that club

    if black men felt the need to get even, then they could sure as hell start up a black only club.

    thats the beauty of the private sector, well, in the prototypical mode, you can design your business however you feel.
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    Originally posted by MrWebb78


    maybe if women negotiated better they would earn more
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    lmao, dont forget incapable of compromise either
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    As far as the whole Augusta National thing goes: First of all, golf is a silly sport and I can't believe we are spending so much time and energy on this topic when there are other much more important REAL issues to be tackled . Secondly, those narrow-minded old white men who only want to hang out with their own kind are going to die soon anyways...I can afford to be generous and let them have their moment b/c I'm going to outlive them anyways

    And seriously, the membership policies at Augusta are more about "class" than about gender. It's kept exclusive by means of exhorbitant membership fees. Most males can't join either unless they are filthy rich and powerful. But then we don't like to acknowledge that class is an issue in America...but that's a whole 'nother discussion....
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    i see your point webbie - very libertarian of you, as well.

    i guess my issue then is this.....why are we even honoring a club that has these type of standards by allowing them to be part of PGA tours. I don't care if they ahve the best course - if they are not going to allow some of the premier players of the world to play their course, why should they even get the honor of hosting?

    you know what i mean?


    and in part i agree that woman can negotiate her salary. i always have, and i am in a male dominated occupation, yet i've always made as much as or more than my male counterparts.
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    well i am finaly finished with my paper, thank for everyones input it help me out alot....now i need to get out of the feminine mod and get back into manley mod.

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    Originally posted by Tryska
    i see your point webbie - very libertarian of you, as well.

    i guess my issue then is this.....why are we even honoring a club that has these type of standards by allowing them to be part of PGA tours. I don't care if they ahve the best course - if they are not going to allow some of the premier players of the world to play their course, why should they even get the honor of hosting?

    you know what i mean?


    and in part i agree that woman can negotiate her salary. i always have, and i am in a male dominated occupation, yet i've always made as much as or more than my male counterparts.

    i dont know much about golf except that when ive played it my blood pressure was thru the roof, so i will attempt to answer this in some way shape or form...

    i guess the fact that it IS the best or hardest course is the reason that it serves a purpose on the PGA tour. but i really dont see the connection between a nationwide debate over a golf course thats on tv once a year, and an uppity ritzy country club that has backwards policies. for anyone who doesnt like the policies can simply turn of the tv, besides, the lower ratings it gets, the less money the pocket.

    and i think its simply tradition that allows this course to be "honored", if thats what its to be called. i realize this isnt 1956 anymore, but if thats the way its always been, why not let them have it. afterall, its only golf.

    what is your occupation if you dont mind me asking
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    IT geek.

    umm...but okay.....venus and serena williams.....if they were not allowed to play at wimbledon, because of the color of their skin, regardless of if they are the best female tennis palyers of the moment,a nd made it everywhere else on the circuit....should the women's open be palyed at wimbledon? you know what i mean?

    this is a purely hypothetical question btw...and probably a very twisted analogy, since i don't watch tennis.
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    Originally posted by MrWebb78


    maybe if women negotiated better they would earn more
    That's analagous to saying "if women just earned more they would earn more". They are discriminated against and that is why their is an earns gap. Women are brought up much differently then men. Convieniently the skills and behaviour impressed into the "female gender" are all devalued while the "male gender" attributes are held in high value. The system is set up to discriminate against women. They were never taught to be aggressive, straight forward, boastful and a whole other host of typical male traits. But that is what the professional world values. Funny the majority of males get taught this...
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    Originally posted by Riggs

    EDIT- oh and its also funny how Martha Burk shutup after the KKK rally at the Masters drew more people then hers. Not to mention most of her protestors were recruited by her from a college at the promise of lunch. (a tactic historically used in many protests)
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    there is absolutely no reason other than stirring up **** that women need to play the Augusta National, there are thousands of other perfectly good country clubs and golf courses that serve their purpose.
    Of course, no one actually listend to what Martha Burke said. Part of that is her fault, because she is very shrill, but you know what? I'm gonna lump the lions share of blame on STUPID PEOPLE.

    Martha Burke said that Augusta can do whatever the hell it wants. What is inappropriate is that a national sporting org. chooses to hold an event at an exclusionary club and the PGA should be held to higher standards. Furthermore, that the membership of Augusta is largely made up of CEOs and top execs of public companies like AmEX and Microsoft, and it is inappropriate for them to be a part of a mysogynistic, old (mostly) white boys club, and (especially female) consumers should know about it and boycott their products.

    And worst of all is how people keep calling golf a sport. Bah! Now that's a joke.

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    give up my amex card?

    i'm not sure i'm that commited to golf.


    anyhoo....ok...what Martha Burke was syaing is what my point was a couple of posts up about the PGA.
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