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    People's experiences with HST

    I was just wondering what kind of results some of the BBers had using this routine. I'm definitely considering giving this a try. After reading this entire sites info on it, I'm surprised about them putting so much stress on supps. I mean, it just seems like its that big of a deal, with special pre and post workout proteins and everything. Just wondering if it is that important to the routine.
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    screw the supps part.

    the routine is actually very good, I enjoy it.
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    that's the response I was hoping to get. I'm not trying to spend all the money I don't have on supps..

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    do more research than reading that site before embarking on HST (there is a lot of good HST info scattered around here for instance)

    but yeah, Manveet is correct... no need for special proteins or crap like that for HST to work

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    I experienced decent strength gains, but that may be attributed to better consistency in training.

    I also experienced a lot of joint pain, which took quite some time to go away, due to the heavy frequent weight training sessions during the 5 rep max phase. I know a few others had the same issues, particularly with their wrists on pressing type movements.
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    I've had good results with it, actually I haven't heard anyone really knock it either. Like everyone said here, you dont need the supps.

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    FuriousFerret, elPietro just knocked it for joint problems, and I'm going to do the same

    I have never experienced joint soreness or pain in the past, however I have never worked out with such heavy weights
    (maxing every two weeks! for 1 set per body part!!!!)

    My form is good and I have a spotter but I have noticed joint problems in the following movements:
    Tricep rope push down
    DB OH press
    Squats
    T Bar row
    Incline press

    At first I attributed the soreness/pain to the use of weights that were well over what I would normally be using.

    Then I began thinking it could be the fact that I'm using db's for so many movements and swinging sets of 80-120 lb dumbells up onto yourself so often is awkward and rough on your wrists.

    Now after elP's comments I'm wondering if its just the frequency of lifing this amount of weight that is putting such a tax on my joints, my training partner feels the same way (joint pain)

    I have an excel spreasheet copy of the HST routine I'm + the weights I use in my journal which should be linked below

    PS, on the pro side I have seen good strength gains and I'm doing more weight than ever on these movements

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    Re: People's experiences with HST

    Originally posted by Fightin Irish
    I was just wondering what kind of results some of the BBers had using this routine. I'm definitely considering giving this a try. After reading this entire sites info on it, I'm surprised about them putting so much stress on supps. I mean, it just seems like its that big of a deal, with special pre and post workout proteins and everything. Just wondering if it is that important to the routine.
    my experiences with HST:

    1) when i REALLY cranked up calories and slightly increased volume from the default routine, i grew phenomenally well. the key to growing on hst i think is to eat above and beyond the call of duty (full body routines DO carry a very high caloric expense, so i recommend a bit more eating than normal...though i realize this in itself makes it sound like a copout that you need to just eat more to make this a better routine. i don't think that).

    2) it's almost always great for strength, even when dieting

    3) i don't experience joint pain as i always include the 15s and really capitalize on these. like most people experience, they make me feel good/healthy in general (joints included).

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    I'm really surprised you guys said you made strength gains on this routine...Bryan admits that it is not at all aimed to increase strength, but rather to increase size (hence the name Hypertrophy Specific Training). For those of you that were making big strength gains, did you do negatives for the 4th "mini-cylce"?

    I'm also amazed that your joints were giving you a lot of pain on HST...You're only going to your 5, 10 or 15 rep max once every 2 weeks, and so for the rest of the time you're not training all that close to failure.

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    I had wrist problems when I did HST last year too. It's not HST's fault though. I think it's the fact I was using a straight bar to curl.

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    Bizatch,
    depends on how much weight your throwing around, your not gonna get joint pain if your maxes are low.
    Also, with 5-10lb jumps in weight your close to your max the entire second week.

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    Originally posted by geoffgarcia
    Bizatch,
    depends on how much weight your throwing around, your not gonna get joint pain if your maxes are low.
    Also, with 5-10lb jumps in weight your close to your max the entire second week.
    Well, if you have really high maxes then it may be wise to make 20 lb jumps...though my reasoning was that if your maxes are low then 5-10 lbs less than your max is pretty easy, and if your maxes are high, chances are you've been working out a long time and are able to recover from higher volume.

    There is an obligatory increase in weight (from 5-20 lbs.) each workout.
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    Originally posted by Tank23
    I had wrist problems when I did HST last year too. It's not HST's fault though. I think it's the fact I was using a straight bar to curl.

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    this is an underrated point. i think with more frequent training of any sort (HST included), exercises that have a tendency to 'bother' various joints tend to rear their ugly heads. i think exercise selection and proper form have a lot to do with this. i think many would be surprised to find that years of ****ty exercise choices and ****ty form have caught up with them

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    I feel that hst is a very well thought out program. As far as the supps I don't think that they push them on you. You can make you own versions drink protein w/ amino acids prework out, then fast digesting whey post workout. Nothing wrong with that. They have some nice science to back this up in the pre/post exercise nutrition article. If the guy trys to make a couple of bux by selling a supplement hey more power to him. But he offers a nice well laid out program with some good science to back it up. I like the program and use their supplement advice, not their supplements.
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    I know several people that have dropped the HST training in the middle of the program from a lack of interest. It tends to get very boring from what alot of people have said. I personally have never done it nor will i ever plan on it. (just not how I train)


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