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    Do guns really cause violence?

    Here is a genuinely interesting research project on that very topic.

    http://www.roughwheelers.com/montego/gun_cam.html
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    HAHAHA awesome post . I grewup in the inner city where gun crime was the norm . I live in the country now and I'll bet there is 5 guns per household compared to 1 gun every five houses in the inner city and guess what ? We have no gun crimes here . So the guns must not be committing any crimes .

    I love these inner city housing projects that are trying to sue some gun manufacturers for the gun deaths . What a bunch of total idiots . A total lack of parental involvement and no respect by anyone there and it's the gun makers fault .
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    Brawl, i agree with you totally. Last time i counted we have over 12 guns lol (only 3 are mine)


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    if guns caused crime, spoons caused roseanne to be fat.
    Point is that criminal with gun is more dangerous than criminal with knife
    Last edited by Reinier; 07-05-2003 at 02:14 AM.

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    ^Not true dude. I'll find the statistics but its like 9 in 10 violent crimes are committed with no weopon at all.
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    I just saw it move.

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    I've never seen a gun kill anyone. I've only seen someone pick up the gun and kill someone with it, but never NEVER seen a gun itself get up and shoot someone on it's own.

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    exactly what vital said!
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    I haven't read anything but the title yet, but I'd bet guns PREVENT violence.
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    I realise most gun murders in the USA are committed with illegal unregistered guns, but separate from that- what causes the US`s high murder rate in the first place?

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    There are far too many factors involved to just blame guns on the violence. The mixing of cultures always results in violence. Look at the ****ing middle east. THere are too many things involved to put your finger on the 'reason' there is so many murders in America.

    BTW, MOST of them happen in big cities. New York had some 2000 murders in the early 90s, and about 650 in 2003. You know how many murders happened in Folsom, California during those same period? ONE. By the time New York and LA had murders that would surpass the population of Folsom, one person was murdered IN Folsom, and it was committed by a non-resident, too.

    Whats your reason, Reinier?

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    Originally posted by ryan1117
    I haven't read anything but the title yet, but I'd bet guns PREVENT violence.
    There must be no violence whatsoever in the USA then.

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    "Guns don't kill people - People kill people."
    I'm not moaning, i'm having an opinion.

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    Originally posted by ryan1117
    I haven't read anything but the title yet, but I'd bet guns PREVENT violence.
    I highly doubt this claim.

    another similiar but false claim is this;

    Increasing visible police presence out in the community (preventative police patrol) prevents crime.
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    I dont have a reason thats why Im asking.

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    Comparing community policing to crime prevention by guns isn't the same issue.

    I've got literature showing that community policing does nothing but make citizens feel safer; I also have literature showing that armed citizens prevent a LOT more crimes than they cause.

    I guess it comes down to what you want. Do you want more victimizations, ie, robberies, rapes, burglaries, or are you willing to tolerate more violent criminals being shot dead thus accounting for the higher murder rate?
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    "I've got literature showing that community policing does nothing but make citizens feel safer; I also have literature showing that armed citizens prevent a LOT more crimes than they cause."

    Ive got literature showing the earth is flat and cats noses are always cold except on the longest summers day

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    Congratulations. Mine was done in the past 5 years.

    Also, the point was more to show that the literature doesn't necessarily mean that what it says is fact.

    If you're going to make an argument as being fact, you need a little more than a few sketchy studies, opinions, or hearsay, to establish your point.

    You American-hating Europeans have yet to grasp this point.
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    Those studies were done in the past 5 years too.

    I`m just saying id like to see those studies and see just how they proved guns prevent crime
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    Originally posted by PowerManDL


    You American-hating Europeans have yet to grasp this point.
    I'm all for more liberal gun laws in the US.

    How's that for american hating?? Labels are a wonderfull thing, they have this permissive quality to them that I just can't resist.....

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    Guns don't cause violence. Guns are "tools" which some people use for violent acts against others.

    Guns do , however, make the violence much more likely to end up in death and they allow for violence on a greater scale. Someone can kill a lot more people more quickly with a machine gun (for example).

    In other words, someone can breakup a fist fight, they can't really breakup a gun fight. So, if there were no guns there would still be violence. People would still have knives, rocks, tree branches etc. to use as weapons. Guns just allow for more efficient violence.

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    Chris nailed it. . .

    Which is why they are so effective as defensive tools. Very comforting for the women threatened with rape, the elderly when someone breaks into their home, etcetera.
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    Re: Chris nailed it. . .

    Originally posted by JohnCollins
    Which is why they are so effective as defensive tools. Very comforting for the women threatened with rape, the elderly when someone breaks into their home, etcetera.
    And for angry teenagers desperate for some atention.....

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    Nailed it again. God help one of them angry teenagers who starts looking for attention when I'm around! They'll get attention. I'm accurate, too.

    You surprise me, Restless, I didn't think you'd post a reason in favor of licensed carry by law-abiding individuals. I'm glad to see you have an open mind.
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    Had a good workout on my liver yesterday. Did a pretty high number of reps, but not to complete failure. Liver DOMS today is kinda bad...it has even reached my head! -- ElPietro

    "If I ever found a chick who smelled like gun powder and spent cartridges, I'd run to a jewelry store, rob it, and propose to her with a sack of diamonds. " --Budiak

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    Originally posted by JohnCollins
    Nailed it again. God help one of them angry teenagers who starts looking for attention when I'm around! They'll get attention. I'm accurate, too.

    You surprise me, Restless, I didn't think you'd post a reason in favor of licensed carry by law-abiding individuals. I'm glad to see you have an open mind.
    ummmmmmm

    I'm just glad we don't have that many in my country, it allows us to keep a murder rate that is a small fraction of yours. Anyway, like everyone kind of said, guns are not the problem, the lack of respect for life is.
    Last edited by restless; 07-06-2003 at 08:25 AM.

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