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The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness

Itís no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

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    So, You Don't Want to Be Big Do You?

    Ok, I'm just typing this up, as a semi-rant, semi-advice thread.

    Often, you hear the words, "Oh I don't want to be big." This is common among women, and among a ton of guys, generally quite often the overweight ones, or the guys that are ripped because of fast metabolisms despite whatever diets they've tried and failed on to get big.

    Let me be the first to say, if you don't want to be big, don't worry, because you won't. Do you think that all the big bodybuilders, or guys with large amounts of muscle mass, just happened to pick up a few weights and accidentally blew up into some monster? Sorry, things don't work like that, especially in the world of natural lifters.

    The amount of work you have to put in, slow metabolism or not, to achieve significant gains in muscle mass, is huge. So if you think you go to the gym and god forbid, put the pin in the stack one plate heavier, you are going to turn into godzilla, think again. You may get stronger, you may reap the rewards of lifting heavier weights in a progressive fashion can give you, but you will not all of a sudden get big.

    Think of building a house, and all that goes into such an endeavour. This is the same as building your body. Lifting is a requirement yes, is lifting heavy, or extremely heavy a requirement? Not really. Continuous lifting, and fatigue, along with eating a diet with a decent macronutrient breakdown, of above maintenance calories, and plenty of sleep, and recovery time, are all key components of "getting big."

    So, if you think that going to the gym and training 3 or 4 times a week, and adding an extra plate, or adding an extra exercise, or pushing yourself to the limit is going to accidentally cause you to turn green and gain 300lbs, don't, because it's not going to happen.

    So train regularly with a routine suited to your strength, size or performance goals, and then allow your diet to facilitate whatever size goals, or energy levels you require for whatever you are trying to achieve.
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    i don't know what you're talking about.


    i did some 6lb dumbbell kickbacks and now i look like she-hulk.
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    Originally posted by Tryska
    i did some 6lb dumbbell kickbacks and now i look like she-hulk.
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    they'll come out green.
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    I agree... theres a thread a few below "Why don't many guys get big" (or words to that affect) and it was mentioned in there... As i said in that one - I know quite a few people who assume that going to the gym regularly will suddenly turn you into a monster. Though i don't want to really have a go at these certain individuals, what i will say it that it's slightly offensive sometimes.. in that the hours most of us put in that gym to make that slow progression can be dismissed by someone who thinks they would make huge gains in a couple of sessions.....
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    Yeah, that is exactly my point. I am not a bodybuilder but I know if I was a competitive bodybuilder or even non-competitive, I'd take great offense at people that say such things, as if discounting the hard work it takes to truly achieve significant lean muscle gains. It's just another form of ignorance in this game that must be overcome.
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    That was a well-controlled and well-said rant Getting "too big" is the last thing you have to worry about.
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    Re: So, You Don't Want to Be Big Do You?

    Originally posted by ElPietro
    Let me be the first to say, if you don't want to be big, don't worry, because you won't. Do you think that all the big bodybuilders, or guys with large amounts of muscle mass, just happened to pick up a few weights and accidentally blew up into some monster? Sorry, things don't work like that, especially in the world of natural lifters.
    This is what I still don't understand. Some of the people I have talked to that have lifted for years still don't seem to grasp this concept. Women especially but its still seen on men. I'm working with 2 girls right now trying to get them onto a regular lifting routine and to begin with they were both like that. It took me forever to convince them otherwise. But now that they have been lifting they are feeling much better and are not worried about getting bigger.

    I wonder where the notion of just blowing up and getting huge came from. Did people just see somebody working out that big and thougth, "Wow, he got big just by doing that. I don't want to do that or I'll be like that." I just don't understand.



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    Originally posted by ElPietro
    Yeah, that is exactly my point. I am not a bodybuilder but I know if I was a competitive bodybuilder or even non-competitive, I'd take great offense at people that say such things, as if discounting the hard work it takes to truly achieve significant lean muscle gains. It's just another form of ignorance in this game that must be overcome.
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    Originally posted by ElPietro
    Yeah, that is exactly my point. I am not a bodybuilder but I know if I was a competitive bodybuilder or even non-competitive, I'd take great offense at people that say such things, as if discounting the hard work it takes to truly achieve significant lean muscle gains. It's just another form of ignorance in this game that must be overcome.
    It doesnt help any when Ronnie Coleman goes on late-night TV and says he doesnt use steroids and he eats McDonalds to get big If he takes out the importance of steroids and diet in getting huge, the only thing left is lifting weights. Therefore, I can see how some people might think lifting weights = getting huge. They are dead wrong, but I can kind-of see why they might think it...
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    Great post ElPietro!! Let's face it, those Weider magazine ads don't really help either. They had one featuring Mike M a few years back advertising the new MegaMass 4000 and showed the "amazing" progress he made in just 16 weeks.

    Hell, he looks better out of shape than 99% of all guys lifting in the gym! Natural lifting is most definately different. I've been at this for nine years....half clean, half dirty. I LOVE the way I look clean. My face is thin and I'm not holding that dreaded water weight. But, the gains are slow and I've had to alter my diet substantially. I fully believe Coleman could eat a McDonalds and get huge. So did I! But yeah, I agree with you that the majority of guys in the gym are never gonna get huge. My best advice to most lifters is to get as lean as possible. I look much bigger at 193lbs at 6% than I ever did at 235lbs with approximately 13%. Great post bro!! Sometimes you just have to tell it like it is!
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    nice post.

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    word up

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    So.. I'll never get big unless I use the juice?



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    You can make some great improvements man but you will NOT look like the pros in the magazines. Just train hard and set small goals for yourself, and when you attain them, make more goals. Dude, if you are 307lbs and dieted to 250 you would be considered HUGE!! lol!
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    I don't want to look like someone in a magazine. I want to look like this .



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    great post LP

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    I think so tech. If you are 300 and... lets say 35% bodyfat, that means 195 is LBM. 195/.9 (10%bf) = 215 lbs. So, if you get to 215 without losing or gaining any muscle, you'd probably look something like that.
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    tons of hard work

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    Re: So, You Don't Want to Be Big Do You?

    Originally posted by ElPietro


    Often, you hear the words, "Oh I don't want to be big." This is common among women, and among a ton of guys, generally quite often the overweight ones, or the guys that are ripped because of fast metabolisms despite whatever diets they've tried and failed on to get big.

    Let me be the first to say, if you don't want to be big, don't worry, because you won't. Do you think that all the big bodybuilders, or guys with large amounts of muscle mass, just happened to pick up a few weights and accidentally blew up into some monster? Sorry, things don't work like that, especially in the world of natural lifters.

    a bit sensitive today?

    yah true, but nothing that a little schooling won't fix. what it really means is that they want to be toned and not buffed, they just don't know the difference in expressing this.

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    If you want to get "toned", you can do that without the gym. Adjust your diet, and you'll lose fat.

    The point is that you can't be "buffed" without rediculous diet and training comittment. You can blow up a little if you eat everything in sight and train like a madman, but if you keep the diet in check, it won't matter what you do in the gym. Train hard and eat right, and you'll be where you want to be. Results are 80% diet and 20% workout related.
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    Re: So, You Don't Want to Be Big Do You?

    Originally posted by ElPietro
    or the guys that are ripped because of fast metabolisms despite whatever diets they've tried and failed on to get big.

    ...

    The amount of work you have to put in, slow metabolism or not, to achieve significant gains in muscle mass, is huge.
    In defense of high metabolisms, let me say this: It is FRIGGIN hard to put on weight. And weight gain is almost inversely proportional to the amount of time you spend in the gym. More time = less results. Quality time = more results. The hard part is EATING. Eating until you feel ill, and then eating more, is more unpleasant and harder than any workout.

    Awesome post, ElP. And I can't wait to see some green babies with monster shoulders.

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    I love these type of posts. We need a section for inspirational posts.
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    Although it is that persons decision to live their life like that, I also agree that ignorance is a brick wall that they keep running into.

    ^^ maybe it should be called "Slap in the face forum"

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