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    I've been going to an osteopath for back\neck problems. Would I better off going to a chiropracter? Why?

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    For those of you that go to a Chiropractor often, how frequently do you have to see him/her for results? As well, how long is each session?

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    typically - depending on your pain issues, you will go 3x/week for about a month, then 2x/week for a month, then 1x/wk down to 1x/month. the adjustment takes 5 minutes. i go about 1x/mo right now. i know some who do 2x/mo.
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    Well, I went to this one that saw me 3 times a week for about 2 months and a half and I still had pain. Then she wanted me to see her still for 3 times a week so I stopped going 'cause it got pricey and I wasn't seeing results.

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    umm, in my book the definition of a real doctor is someone who has earned his MD or Ph'D. A practicioner of chinese medicine(to the best of my knowledge) doesn't need extensive testing to call themselves that. To put them on the same level as people who go through nearly a decade of intense schooling is an insult to all MD's and Ph'Ds. I also have only heard of chinese medicine effecting stress related illnesses, which can frankly be attributed to a placebo effect. In all honesty, if science can't back something up to a strong degree, I will always be very skeptical of it. It's a good habit, learn it.

    For those of you who swear by chiropractors, have you tried a masouse(sp.)? And seen if the effects are similar? Have you ruled out the placebo effect, after all, all i hear from you guys is that you feel better, nothing really scientific. I mean, a hot bath or maybe a compress could do the same thing. I mean think about the things they say. What the hell is a kink in a neck? If your spine was really out of allignment don't you think you'd need more then a simple readjustment to put it back? Why aren't they allowed to reach medical doctor status? Why are medical degrees much more respected?
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    nejar462 .umm, in my book the definition of a real doctor is someone who has earned his MD or Ph'D.

    doc·tor ( P ) Pronunciation Key (dktr)
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    Now I couldn't find "real doctor" in the dictionary but Dr.

    They had. FSU (Florida state university) plans to start it's first class of chiropractic school in 2004. The field is becoming highly recognized and is legitimate.

    Insurance companies will pay for it the department of defense will be allowing the VA to pay for it. If it's a placebo effect you should let some people know of your theories because maybe that one escaped them.



    If your spine was really out of alignment don't you think you'd need more then a simple readjustment to put it back?
    Like what medicine?

    nejar462 Why aren't they allowed to reach medical doctor status?
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    Maybe because they dont use medicine?
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    Originally posted by nejar462


    For those of you who swear by chiropractors, have you tried a masouse(sp.)? And seen if the effects are similar? Have you ruled out the placebo effect, after all, all i hear from you guys is that you feel better, nothing really scientific. I mean, a hot bath or maybe a compress could do the same thing. I mean think about the things they say. What the hell is a kink in a neck? If your spine was really out of allignment don't you think you'd need more then a simple readjustment to put it back? Why aren't they allowed to reach medical doctor status? Why are medical degrees much more respected?
    i also occassionally go to a masseuse -- but what they treat is muscle tightness, not re-alignment. i don't get the same relief (type or degree of) from a masseuse that i get from an adjustment. many times, relaxing the muscles is necessary for an adjustment to be effective since tight muscles can "lock" vertebrae in the wrong position, forcing the spine back into the wrong position soon after an adjustment. so- to answer your question, they both have a purpose, but i much prefer what my chiro does over a masseuse.

    one of the main differences between a chiro and a general M.D. is that chiro's can't prescribe meds. does that make them less knowledgeable or less respected?
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    well, I just went through three months of chiro and am now on a once a month adjustment plan. When I initiaially went in because of back pain and I wanted to ensure no future problems with heavy lifting, I took xrays of my spine. There was a noticable curve to the left in the base of my spine. I was never very flexible and when I stretched I would always have to go slow to loosen tight hip flexors and lower back muscles.

    After gettting "adjusted" twice a week, continuing to lift, and stretching 4 times a week I made very rapid progress in flexibility. After three months I took another shot of xrays and the curve was 90% eliminated. I am now more flexible than I ever was, and am during squats on a tiny 8" box (which I would have never even considered before).

    I would also like to say that this chiro was very good at what she did, I have been to one in the past and didnt get any results from his "adjustments". It is like someone said, there are good and bad chiro's, you need to find one who knows what they are doing. If the chiro I am going to now suddenly decided to quit or move, I would be very sad cause I would need to spend extra time researching for a "good" chiro again.

    On another note, if my progress was a placebo effect, or the result of my own strecthing 4 times a week, or something in the water...I dont know. I am just happy that I feel 200% better than I have in the past.
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    I have to side with nejar here in one respect: Chiropractors are not doctors in the conventional sense of "a person having gone to _medical_ school and licensed to practice _medicine_ by the state."

    It's obvious that chiropractors help a lot of people, even when others cannot and they are extremely popular. However, it troubles me how close many chiropratic theories come to being pseudo-science. In particular, I don't like the end-run around conventional medicine. I would prefer to see controlled studies under the auspices of mainstream medical research to prove the efficacy of chiropratic treatment.

    Some specific points: D.C. vs M.D. - yes, in general, M.D.s are more knowledgable about health, if only because they endure a more rigorous schooling (7+ years post-graduate). And yes, they are generally more respected because of that. Similarly, opthamologists are more knowledgable and competent for eye care than optometrists. (I have no problem going to an optometrist for a vison test!)

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    ok im sorry i came off hard on chiropractors, I didn't mean too, what I'd really love to see is chiropractors push towards more science by doing experiments more often, not only will that validate them in the eyes of the skeptics but could advance their field as well as many others. It's dumb to keep it as a pseudo science, real science progresses so much better and is harder to argue against. Plus some of stuff they do could be total garbage, so they could cut it out, and they could find ways to combine chiropractory with medicines to make it that much more effective.
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    that makes sense to me, some of the things my first chiro did seemed silly, as were some comments he made. He "adjusted" my neck saying "he was putting my head on straight". Now what does that mean? I was walking around with a crooked head? and he had me stand on some feet things like I was taking dance lessons and ran his finger down my back telling my I had bad posture wich was causing the problem and he could fix it. He immediately said it was L13 or something and adjusted that vertebrae. He also had a poster of a Star Trek ships log of how everyone was required to meet with a chiro every month per starfleet regulations LOL, Everything he said or had in his office seemed like a lot of BS....

    the chiro I go to now wouldnt even touch me untill some xrays were taken, then she said the curve was most prominent on some number nowhere near where the first chiro had said I had a problem. She never mentioned posture and immediately knew where to go to fix the problem.

    I think a lot of the newer chiros coming out of school are workng towards the end goal that you mentioned nejar, it will just take a lot more time. In the meantime,I think it is safe to say that you got to really know who is cracking your back and if they are as knowledgable as they appear to be.
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    Originally posted by Mystic Eric
    how frequently do you have to see him/her for results
    there is no end. they keep telling you that your back is "out of line" and you'll need to come back and pay them more. it's simple for them. they don't have to prove anything and they get your constant income.

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    Originally posted by raniali
    typically - depending on your pain issues, you will go 3x/week for about a month, then 2x/week for a month, then 1x/wk down to 1x/month. the adjustment takes 5 minutes. i go about 1x/mo right now. i know some who do 2x/mo.
    "pain issues" LOL

    they got you wrapped around their finger.

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    Originally posted by Mystic Eric
    Well, I went to this one that saw me 3 times a week for about 2 months and a half and I still had pain. Then she wanted me to see her still for 3 times a week so I stopped going 'cause it got pricey and I wasn't seeing results.
    wow! i'm REALLY surprised! are you going to tell me that water is wet next?

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    Originally posted by nejar462
    umm, in my book the definition of a real doctor is someone who has earned his MD or Ph'D. A practicioner of chinese medicine(to the best of my knowledge) doesn't need extensive testing to call themselves that. To put them on the same level as people who go through nearly a decade of intense schooling is an insult to all MD's and Ph'Ds. I also have only heard of chinese medicine effecting stress related illnesses, which can frankly be attributed to a placebo effect. In all honesty, if science can't back something up to a strong degree, I will always be very skeptical of it. It's a good habit, learn it.

    For those of you who swear by chiropractors, have you tried a masouse(sp.)? And seen if the effects are similar? Have you ruled out the placebo effect, after all, all i hear from you guys is that you feel better, nothing really scientific. I mean, a hot bath or maybe a compress could do the same thing. I mean think about the things they say. What the hell is a kink in a neck? If your spine was really out of allignment don't you think you'd need more then a simple readjustment to put it back? Why aren't they allowed to reach medical doctor status? Why are medical degrees much more respected?
    you speak the truth.

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    Originally posted by Kenn
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    HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

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    Iím sorry I havenít posted in awhile, but I saw this thread and I was a little offended by the lay publicsí ignorance of what a chiropractor is. I am in chiropractic school right now; I have a BA in bio-medical science which is required for entrance into the graduate school for chiropractic. For your information, we are not MDís, instead we a distinct profession in which we consider ourselves neuromuscular specialist. The degree is a PhD and it is a 4 year school just like MD school. The first two years we study curriculum that is the same as ďmedĒ school. We do cadaver dissections and we are taught to diagnose in the same way an MD is taught. WE have four journals in which we publish case studies and experiments done by leading doctors. There are a lot of doctors in our profession that were once MDs, so its obvious that there are a lot of scientific methods that appeal to MD, DO students.
    We have changed our procedures and diagnoses due to new advances in science. Amazingly, MDs are now using our philosophy in there schools, and we get regular visits from MD students (as required by there school). With that, we have recommendations from the mayo clinic on there website for spinal problems that we have proved to be able to fix and cure. Did you know that right know there is a bill passing through the senate that chiropractors will soon be primary care physicians by your insurance?

    Whatís the difference between us and MDs? Itís simple, whatís the difference between MDs and dentist? We specialize in a different area; we diagnose and refer if necessary. I have seen many cases where MDs miss easy diagnoses from X-rays and blood work that our profession has picked up on. In these situations, lives were saved. We operate on very low risk, in fact our malpractice insurance is 1/8 that of MDs. Why? Because, our techniques are clearly defined, and our ability has to precise or we receive negative criticism such that ive seen here on this forum. If you have any questions regarding chiropractic care I will be more than happy to give you advice to my full potential, just PM me.

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    i goto a chiro, it took awhile to find a really good one ,but i have and he helps my back a ton....

    i also go to massage therapist twice a week and i credit her with keeping me nimble as well. It helps that my work covers it all..

    my mother is a massage therapist too.... so i am thankfull to have her knowledge about the body, especially when it comes to weights and the effects on the body and the physiological damage that is done.

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    ronnie coleman goes to one in his video...i think if they can pop ronnie coleman's spine so that it doesn't crush under his muscle weight, they must be doing something right...
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    I don't understand what all of you are getting so defensive about. The original poster simply asked whether chiropractors are worth visiting. Have you all considered the possibility that it only works because you believe it does. Never underestimate the power of the placebo effect. I had to laugh when someone above mentioned that chiropractic medicine had been "studied". I'd like to see how that double-blinded study went. Let's see one group receives the "treatment" and the other group receives the control. What would the control treatment be. I have no doubt that chiropractors help people. What I question is the ethics of a profession whose sole healing powers lie in the fact that people believe they work. It is impossible to scientifically study whether they work or not. If I took my car into the shop every week for an "adjustment" and the problem was never truly fixed. I'd be outraged.

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    Originally posted by nejar462
    umm, in my book the definition of a real doctor is someone who has earned his MD or Ph'D. A practicioner of chinese medicine(to the best of my knowledge) doesn't need extensive testing to call themselves that. To put them on the same level as people who go through nearly a decade of intense schooling is an insult to all MD's and Ph'Ds. I also have only heard of chinese medicine effecting stress related illnesses, which can frankly be attributed to a placebo effect. In all honesty, if science can't back something up to a strong degree, I will always be very skeptical of it. It's a good habit, learn it.
    nejar, spend 5 minutes searching google or medline for 'evidence of chiropractic' and 'clinical trials of chiropractic'. There are TONS of studies that scientifically demonstrate the efficacy of chiropractic. Science does back it up.

    A key study can be found here: http://www.chiropractic.on.ca/manga1a.pdf

    More studies are ongoing every day. I'm not saying I agree with idea that chiropractic is a panacea, as some over-enthusiastic chiropractors are wont to do. But it works, it is proven to work, and it will continue to work above and beyond any 'placebo' effects.

    And around here, chiropractors are required to attend 4 years of graduate school/chiropractic college AFTER completing 3-4 years of university. When they are done at chiropractic college they are a Doctor of Chiropractic (or DC for short). If you're going to call a PhD a 'real doctor', by your definition someone who gets a DC is also a real doctor.

    Originally posted by nejar462
    For those of you who swear by chiropractors, have you tried a masouse(sp.)? And seen if the effects are similar? Have you ruled out the placebo effect, after all, all i hear from you guys is that you feel better, nothing really scientific. I mean, a hot bath or maybe a compress could do the same thing. I mean think about the things they say. What the hell is a kink in a neck? If your spine was really out of allignment don't you think you'd need more then a simple readjustment to put it back? Why aren't they allowed to reach medical doctor status? Why are medical degrees much more respected?
    Now you're practically insulting massage therapists, too!! Jeez, man!

    First off, a registered massage therapist (RMT) or similar is someone who has gone to a school, typically with a minimum requirement of 2000-2500 hours of study and practice including anatomy, physiology and other courses as well as practical technique courses, and then obtained a license to practice as an RMT. There are many different kinds of massage, with different goals and areas of focus. One practitioner I visit often practices Myofascial Release as a technique in addition to more generalized massage (http://www.myofascial-release.com/). I have literally seen the separation in my muscle fibres improve as a result of her work. I can see both heads of my biceps clearly now.

    A registered and accredited massage THERAPIST is far different from a no-certification masseuse. There's a helluva difference between a nice backrub and massage therapy, mate.

    Secondly, massage therapists work on muscles. Chiropractors' ultimate focus is on the spine. A misalignment of the spine is often called a 'subluxation' by chiropractors. (http://www.jvsr.com/ for examples, studies, etc.). There's a decent explanation (from an MD) here: http://www.spine-health.com/topics/c.../chirtr03.html

    There's also a decent explanation of what an 'adjustment' or chiropractic treatment is here: http://www.spine-health.com/topics/c.../chirtr05.html


    Noodlearms: The reaction is to ignorant clowns comparing the profession to witch doctors. Before you go spouting off about the lack of studies, why don't you actually spend some time looking for studies. They are out there. They are many. They are scientifically controlled, accurate and legitimate.

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    Originally posted by nejar462

    For those of you who swear by chiropractors, have you tried a masouse(sp.)? And seen if the effects are similar? Have you ruled out the placebo effect, after all, all i hear from you guys is that you feel better, nothing really scientific. I mean, a hot bath or maybe a compress could do the same thing. I mean think about the things they say. What the hell is a kink in a neck? If your spine was really out of allignment don't you think you'd need more then a simple readjustment to put it back? Why aren't they allowed to reach medical doctor status? Why are medical degrees much more respected?
    i wish you would stop arguing unless you're either experienced or done soem research first.

    i've got to a massage therapist and i used to have a chiropractor.

    massage, as ali pointed out, resolves muscle tension. chiropractors work with your spine. for instance right now - i've got a kink in my neck - i've gone to my massage therapist - she can only temproarily relax the muscles that are being strained. i can actually feel exactly which vertebrae it is, that isn't sitting right.

    sometimes, by cracking my midback or around my hips it pops everything else back in place. as it stands now, this particular time, i'm most likely gonna have to have a professional perform a cervical adjustment, since it's not goign away.

    as for your comments on medical versus chiropractic - 2 seperate things.

    that's like asking why an osteopath or a naturopath isn't an allopath - different views, different methodologies, different branches of the same tree.

    allopaths are great for treating you with pharmaceuticals and surgery. they are also great for acute and emergency conditions.

    a chiropractor is good for issues of the spine. sciatica, etc. if you go to a "real doctor" for sciatica - they will give you pain meds. if you go to a chiropractor for it, rather then (highly addcitive) pain meds and muscle relaxants, they will adjust the vertebrae so as to take the pressure off of the nerve causing the pain.

    please ensure you understand what each do, before making a statement. right now from your comments throughout this thread, it's pretty obvious, you are talking out of your ass, with uninformed opinions. i sorry to be so harsh, but i have to call a spade a spade.
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    Originally posted by Tryska

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    I haven't read the whole thread.
    I've been to one twice. What he says sounds ridiculous but he has shown me weird stuff. They'll apply pressure to a limb ask you to move and you can't. They'll then press some weird spot and then do it again and you will be able to move it. Don't understand it. If its just a trick its a good one.
    But I really can't say I felt any better afterwards either.
    I might have him look at my shoulder, my rotator cuff is bothering me a bit. Left over from a bike wreck a few years ago.

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