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The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness

Itís no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

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    Squats: I do them, but I don't feel them. You figure this one out!

    Tomorrow is leg day and once again I'm going to battle squats. For months and months I've been doing this, and still can't figure it out. No matter how hard I try, or what I do, I don't feel squats. It's like doing 4 sets of curls and having no bicep pump or feeling what so ever. Imagine how strange that would be, and that's basically how I feel after squatting.

    I go to parallel, I go below parallel. I've tried wider stance, narrower stance. I've used extremely light weight, I've used heavier weight. I stretch, I do whatever I can think of, and still, nothing. I can't really progress on squats either. I've been stuck on the same (little) weight for a while. And it seems just as hard to do at that same weight every time. It's like I'm doing the squat, with the perfect motion, with the perfect form, going all the way down, but using everything possible EXCEPT my quads. I am sooooo pissed off at this exercise.

    It's like I'm doing squats without using my quads. It's like my knees, or my ass, or stabilizer muscles or something, is doing the lift. I have no pump or soreness anywhere after squats. Actually, near my knees at like the lowest possible part of my thigh before the knee, that is sometimes where I feel something. I know that soreness isn't an indicator of blah blah blah, but I feel nothing in my quads when doing it, and nothing after doing it. That shouldn't be. The only thing I feel after squats is tired. REALLY tired. Like almost too tired. Now that I think about it, I might understand why I feel like this. It's because I just did squats without the aid of my quads. It's like I used everything else in my body to do a lift that mainly requires a muscle that I somehow didn't use. Make any sense to anyone?

    It has been months like this, and I have tried literally everything. Every type of stance, depth, weight, etc. and still nothing. Here are some of my last remaining guesses:

    Flexibility... I can kick over my head, or your head, and I stretch every day, but I still can't touch my toes. No male in my family can. Could this be the problem?

    Lower Back... I never did direct lower back work until 3 weeks ago. I started stiff legged deadlifts. Could this be the problem?

    Other than that, I have no idea what my problem is. Every other lift is perfectly fine, I feel the muscle doing the lift, I get a pump, I get sore, I progress, I get bigger. Squats have been the total opposite. I squat with perfect form and feel nothing in my quads. It's like a ****in magic trick. WTF??

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    Well, this one time I did them with heavier weight and I felt each muscle work to lift it. In that instance, though I put on more weight then I could handle. However, since I had to lift the weight back up I had no choice but to lift the mofo until I could hook it back up. I have never felt my muscles work so hard in my life. I only managed to do one rep, but that was the rep of my life.

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    go heavier. lots heavier. if you're squatting correctly, you probably shouldn't "feel" it in your quads anyway, but in your posterior chain (calves, hams, glutes, low back) if you're doing a proper deep squat. the point is that your quads are prolly stronger than all of those muscles, so they're not being taxed, but those muscles are keeping your squat weight down. don't worry about it, just do an extra quad exercise (leg press or something) and you'll be fine

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    do front squats, they hit the quads pretty good
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    For some reason your neurol receptors are not focusing on the quads. In between workouts try flexing the quads to create a direct connection.

    Wear boots for squats with a high heal or stand with your heals on a board (2x4) this often will take the tendons out of the equation forcing more isolation on the quads.

    When you say you have done light weights, you did not say if for 4 sets or what.

    My favorite is do 10x10 with a weight you could manage 15 times. On each rep focus on tightning the quads and holding that tension as you go down and up. Rest 30-45 seconds between sets.
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    do u have this problem on other leg exercises, specifically leg press, hack squat or the like?
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    I'm curious to know what you do before squats to get ready? I like to start with about 5 minutes on a stationary bike just to get the blood flowing in my body. Then I'll do 20 light reps of leg extensions to get my quads taxed a little. They're quick, short reps but they get the pump going a bit. After that I head over to the rack and start with my squat routine. I feel for myself personally, and everybody's different, that hitting the bike and then a set of leg extensions prior to squating help prepare my legs. And my leg days have been very productive.
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    If flexibility isn't an issue, don't elevate your heels.

    Assuming your form is OK - have you tried high rep squatting?
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    Make sure you are pushing through your heels when you squat, if you are pushing with the balls of your feet you won't feel your quads working.

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    I agree with unshift and houdini, the weight you're squatting at is probably not heavy enough to work the muscles out. So add more weight.
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    i agree you should up the weight, and push through your heels like maccer said... wehn i do squats i dont usaly feel it in my quads during the work, but the next day i always get DOMS like you wouldnt beleve
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    I'm a beginner to weightlifting but I THOUGHT I was "tired" (or whatever you call the feeling after you finish a lift) but then one day I decided to add more weight and decided I should put more and more on and I kept on feeling the same. The point is, sometimes it's in your head. You probably just aren't doing enough weight, like people have said before.

    - Just telling you something about my experience with something similar to this.

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    I'm sure he figured it out in 6 years.
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    ive always been told, "weight on your heels...enough so you can wiggle your toes"

    see if you can do that an then you know your form, at least your feet are proper

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    Quote Originally Posted by berfles View Post
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    I've always felt it in my quads when doing squats and I go to just parallel. Do leg extension machine like others have said and see if you feel it in your quads when doing that. It should burn if done correctly and there really isn't a way to do them wrong either.
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    The OP's post was SIX years ago, why are people still responding?

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    because Giles Corey needs MORE WEIGHT!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by intensity View Post
    Tomorrow is leg day and once again I'm going to battle squats. For months and months I've been doing this, and still can't figure it out. No matter how hard I try, or what I do, I don't feel squats. It's like doing 4 sets of curls and having no bicep pump or feeling what so ever. Imagine how strange that would be, and that's basically how I feel after squatting.

    I go to parallel, I go below parallel. I've tried wider stance, narrower stance. I've used extremely light weight, I've used heavier weight. I stretch, I do whatever I can think of, and still, nothing. I can't really progress on squats either. I've been stuck on the same (little) weight for a while. And it seems just as hard to do at that same weight every time. It's like I'm doing the squat, with the perfect motion, with the perfect form, going all the way down, but using everything possible EXCEPT my quads. I am sooooo pissed off at this exercise.

    It's like I'm doing squats without using my quads. It's like my knees, or my ass, or stabilizer muscles or something, is doing the lift. I have no pump or soreness anywhere after squats. Actually, near my knees at like the lowest possible part of my thigh before the knee, that is sometimes where I feel something. I know that soreness isn't an indicator of blah blah blah, but I feel nothing in my quads when doing it, and nothing after doing it. That shouldn't be. The only thing I feel after squats is tired. REALLY tired. Like almost too tired. Now that I think about it, I might understand why I feel like this. It's because I just did squats without the aid of my quads. It's like I used everything else in my body to do a lift that mainly requires a muscle that I somehow didn't use. Make any sense to anyone?

    It has been months like this, and I have tried literally everything. Every type of stance, depth, weight, etc. and still nothing. Here are some of my last remaining guesses:

    Flexibility... I can kick over my head, or your head, and I stretch every day, but I still can't touch my toes. No male in my family can. Could this be the problem?

    Lower Back... I never did direct lower back work until 3 weeks ago. I started stiff legged deadlifts. Could this be the problem?

    Other than that, I have no idea what my problem is. Every other lift is perfectly fine, I feel the muscle doing the lift, I get a pump, I get sore, I progress, I get bigger. Squats have been the total opposite. I squat with perfect form and feel nothing in my quads. It's like a ****in magic trick. WTF??

    Thanks in advance.

    I have exactly the same problem as him, I don't know what can I do to feel the squats.

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    sorry guys. didn't know how old the thread was when I posted..
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    post this as a new thread, they'll tell you, "search! this has been covered"

    post in a thread you searched for and they'll tell you, "why are you bumping this old thread?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by imc_1121 View Post
    I have exactly the same problem as him, I don't know what can I do to feel the squats.
    Back squats are a posterior chain movement. That is why you don't feel them in your quads. If you can't increase the weight, you are doing something wrong. You probably need more frequency and more food. And everyone can always improve their form.
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    i struggle very much increaing the weight on squats. i squat around shoulder width and go ass to grass. i just cant squat wide and i feel like the rep shouldnt count unless its ass to grass, but istill can never progress. i cant sit back at all because i feel like im going to fall over and i tried box squats but i felt like iwas doing these wromng.

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    I feel them in the quads when I narrow my stance.

    Try the 20-rep squat thing. Take a weight you can do ten times. Then do 20 squats with that weight without re-racking the weight. You'll definitely feel them!
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