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The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness

It’s no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

By: Nick Tumminello Added: January 6th, 2014
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    Targetting obliques

    From what ive heard the obliques are very hard muscles to stimulate growth in. Is this why i can only find a few exercises that target them?

    I usually do the slanted sideways situp. I dont know the correct name for it, where you lodge your legs on this little stand and do sideways situps or crunches, sometimes holding weight. And bar twists, though i can do hundreds of these and not feel a burn, i think the only thing im getting from them is diziness.
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    I envy you. I wouldn't want my obliques to grow. That would only push my "handles" further in the wrong direction.

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    Why would you be interested in bigger obliques?
    If you are a bodybuilder, you want the V shape that require the smallest waist possible.

    Anyway, you're not going to grow anything with sets of 100. I see a lot of people in my gym doing broomstick twists, trying to "tone" their obliques, and they ain't going nowhere. You should do some things like side bends (holding heavy dumbells), or a variation of it is to hold the dumbell overhead (require a light weight), I haven't tried this one yet.

    Whatever you do, use resistance if you want to grow.

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    Because, while i am in a sense a bodybuilder, i am a martial artist and a competitor first, my goal in oblique growth is better core strength, which will help in martial arts.

    Also, what kind of exercises are good for the Serratus Anterior? Even bodybuilders want the SA to be visible and pronounced, right?
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    You don't need growth for strenght!
    But I guess that some growth will help as extra protection in your art.

    As for core strenght, if you deadlift of squat that should also help a lot.

    The main serratus anterior function is the protraction of the girdle, I guess that dumbell incline shoulder raise would be the best exercise, but I'm not talking from personnal experience.
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    .... Strength comes with growth. When you work out a muscle, no matter what your goals are, it grows.
    I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve

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    I also do Muay Thai, but disagree about the obliques. If you want to increase your strength then work on your abs and back. Then again, my style does not use that many high kicks. What style do you train?

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    Your obliques and SA are both part of your core, and a good strike, be it a kick, punch, elbow, etc, uses a lot of muscles, including your whole trunk.

    I train in a lot of different styles.
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    Xingyi
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    Boxing
    Muay Thai
    Judo
    Ninjutsu
    Iaido
    Kendo
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    Long Fist Kung Fu
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    I do the broomstick twists. I find its a perfect low impact exersize to do in between other heavy sets of legs for instance. Doing a count of 50 twists gives me just enough time to cool down for the next heavy leg set. The important thing when doin the twists is to keep you lower body and hips still and only twist at the waist. And dont do them too fast. Bring it around untill you feel like you cant twist any farther then squeez it around a little more. Its that last little push that gets the job done.

    I also do a pilates style situp to work the obliques. Thats the one where you crunch up and touch your right elbow to you left knee while you left leg is extended. Then straighten the leg as you drop your torso. continue crunchin up with left elbow to right knee and so forth. Its not really a full situp. Its more like a combination of bycycle motion with legs and half situp/crunch while alternating elbows touching opposite knees. this one works all the abs. Upper, lower, obliques..the whole 9 yards.

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    Originally posted by arjun
    .... Strength comes with growth. When you work out a muscle, no matter what your goals are, it grows.
    Wrong... You can gain a lot of strength without growing. You can't grow much without gaining any strength.

    I'm too sleepy to explain why.

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    Well, we are getting mixed up, because im training as an athlete, not a body builder.

    Strength, you see, is a summation of two things - nerve impulse to the working muscle and the hypertrophy of the muscle, that is, how much mechanical force it is able to generate and sustain.

    For instance, compare a bodybuilder and a weightlifter of equivalent weight classes. The bodybuilder will almost certainly be larger, but the weightlifter will almost certainly be far stronger.

    But when i say growth i mean hypertrophy in the muscle cells proper. Strength and size go hand in hand, though depending on what you train for one comes along in lesser amounts than the other.

    The mix up is in my definition of growth (in this case) compared to that of a body builders.
    I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve

    Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one.
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    I want them to make statues of me

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