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The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness

Itís no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

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    Wannabebig Member musclette's Avatar
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    So, a thread about upper and lower chest

    To train upper chest: incline workouts

    To train lower chest: decline workouts

    To train for chest mass: flat bench workouts

    To train outer chest: fly(e)s

    To train inner chest: fly(e) crossovers and cable crossovers.

    To train for width: Wide grip bench press

    Disclaimer: Certain wisdom denies differentiating between upper and lower chest workouts. Whatever works for the individual I guess.

    So, ok chest workout?
    "Experiencing this pain in my muscles and aching and going on and on is my challenge. The last three or four reps is what makes the muscles grow. This area of pain divides a champion from someone who is not a champion. That's what most people lack, having the guts to go on and just say they'll go through the pain no matter what happens. I have no fear of fainting. I do squats until I fall over and pass out. So what? It's not going to kill me. I wake up five minutes later and I'm OK. A lot of other athletes are afraid of this. So they don't pass out. They don't go on." - Arnold

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    There is no outer or inner chest.

    There is no width.

    For most practical purposes, there is no upper or lower.

    There is only "mass."

    And I really have no desire to type out exactly why (yet again).

    Train the chest with an exercise or two of your choice, and be done with it.
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    Lemme find a link and I'll show you what I mean.
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    Yeah, I saw this one on my first search.

    There's a myriad of opinions as to whether incline and flat benches are necessary in that thread and the possibility of localized growth. I think PowerManDL also added what he just contributed.

    IMO, the incline has indeed worked for my upper chest, but that's me.
    "Experiencing this pain in my muscles and aching and going on and on is my challenge. The last three or four reps is what makes the muscles grow. This area of pain divides a champion from someone who is not a champion. That's what most people lack, having the guts to go on and just say they'll go through the pain no matter what happens. I have no fear of fainting. I do squats until I fall over and pass out. So what? It's not going to kill me. I wake up five minutes later and I'm OK. A lot of other athletes are afraid of this. So they don't pass out. They don't go on." - Arnold

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    Originally posted by musclette
    Yeah, I saw this one on my first search.

    There's a myriad of opinions as to whether incline and flat benches are necessary in that thread and the possibility of localized growth. I think PowerManDL also added what he just contributed.

    IMO, the incline has indeed worked for my upper chest, but that's me.
    Not to be a jerk, but don't make threads like this before you do alot of searching and ALOT of reading. You're lucky you don't have a ****load of flames yet.

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    xMeat_Headx, with all due respect, I was invited to make this post. (probably to allow me to see what sort of flames it'd invite) See this. http://www.wannabebigforums.com/show...threadid=37103

    But seriously, xMeat, if I started this thread without invitation, I'd imagine people with more experience can help those with lesser experience. Not everyone starts training at the same time. Instead of taking time to flame, the newbie could be directed to where the resources could be found, like how Mad-Mex provided the link. Imo anyway.
    "Experiencing this pain in my muscles and aching and going on and on is my challenge. The last three or four reps is what makes the muscles grow. This area of pain divides a champion from someone who is not a champion. That's what most people lack, having the guts to go on and just say they'll go through the pain no matter what happens. I have no fear of fainting. I do squats until I fall over and pass out. So what? It's not going to kill me. I wake up five minutes later and I'm OK. A lot of other athletes are afraid of this. So they don't pass out. They don't go on." - Arnold

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    Originally posted by xMeat_Headx


    Not to be a jerk, but don't make threads like this before you do alot of searching and ALOT of reading. You're lucky you don't have a ****load of flames yet.
    :withstupi

    it's just one of those things that nobody wants to talk or even read about anymore.

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    I want to work JUST my right upper chest. I want to look like quasimodo in reverse.

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    Originally posted by musclette
    Yeah, I saw this one on my first search.

    There's a myriad of opinions as to whether incline and flat benches are necessary in that thread and the possibility of localized growth. I think PowerManDL also added what he just contributed.

    IMO, the incline has indeed worked for my upper chest, but that's me.
    How do you KNOW that incline bench has worked your upper chest? How about, it just made your chest get bigger.
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    it is just best to work out all muscles from all angles. that way it developes at a quicker rate then just doing regular bench presses only all the time.

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    Originally posted by phi67
    it is just best to work out all muscles from all angles. that way it developes at a quicker rate then just doing regular bench presses only all the time.
    But if all the fibers work inconjunction with one another when doing regular bench, what's changing the angle going to do?

    All the fibers contract at once regardless of the angle. Change it up just to ward off boredom or to incorporate or take out shoulder involvement but as for the chest, it will contract all at once regardless.
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    Originally posted by phi67
    it is just best to work out all muscles from all angles. that way it developes at a quicker rate then just doing regular bench presses only all the time.

    Care to back that up?

    How many angles can I work my hamstrings, quads, tri's, biceps from?

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    doing incline presses HAS led to greater development in my upper pec area with minimal development to the lower pec

    I dont care what you nay sayers think

    PS, claiming genetics is complete BS my family and all my relatives are outta shape "bad genetics people" yet if you saw me you'd say that I might have a bit of a genetic gift going on...which is BULLSHlT, I just care enough to go to the gym and eat right. Don't use a copout like genetics to rationalize why you dont see results. Thats like begging for god when your on your death bed.
    Its BS
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    Yes, you CAN work a muscle from different angles and the mechanics will make you feel the stress in a slightly different way.

    BUT it's still the same muscle--all parts of it--causing the same body part to move.

    And doc, you should be ashamed of yourself for dropping a bomb on the new person...

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    Originally posted by geoffgarcia
    doing incline presses HAS led to greater development in my upper pec area with minimal development to the lower pec

    I dont care what you nay sayers think

    PS, claiming genetics is complete BS my family and all my relatives are outta shape "bad genetics people" yet if you saw me you'd say that I might have a bit of a genetic gift going on...which is BULLSHlT, I just care enough to go to the gym and eat right. Don't use a copout like genetics to rationalize why you dont see results. Thats like begging for god when your on your death bed.
    Its BS
    Umm....genetics are more than a gift. They deterimine how your muscles will look and develop. Everyone has them.
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    Look at Franco Columbo. I's pretty amazing how he has that split in his chest. That's just his genetics. Not everyone can have that split. Also, Franco was quoted as saying that he believes all you need is the bench press and some other press (can't remember which) to develop your chest. He also said everything else is fluff. I'll see if I can find the quote.
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