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The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness

Itís no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

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    Should I Ditch Em?

    OK guys this is my shoulder routine as of now

    Barbell clean and press 3 sets
    dubbell lat raise 3 sets
    upright rows 3 sets
    shrugs 3 sets

    Now my question is, since I'm already doing upright rows, wouldn't it be smart to ditch barbell clean and press?

    And put in an overhead press movement? It makes sense to me. Let me know, I'll take whatever help I can get.

    Thanks
    Last edited by Delphi; 10-04-2003 at 03:10 PM.

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    it would be smart to ditch the uprights. Lateral raises hit the medial head and the press part is your overhead press. Clean is just good overall.

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    Yeah, get rid of the upright raises. They're bad for your shoulders.
    Last edited by Delphi; 10-04-2003 at 03:10 PM.

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    if i get rid of my uprite rows

    should i put in something else to work my traps?

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    Cleans work traps better than anything else Ive ever done. In my opinion I think you should do CLeans by themselves. You will be able to do more weight and your traps will get huge. Then do military press afterward. I think thatd be enough for shoulders. You dont need upright rows or lateral raises.
    WORK YOUR ASS OFF!

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    Upright rows don't even target your traps. Shrugs are what I use for those.

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    I'm with everyone else as far as dropping the upright rows

    I'd toss shrugs to the end of back day, but back/shoudler day is a preference thing

    I like cleans on leg/back day and never have seen the benefit in doing a press from that motion (not to mention most gyms dont let ya do cleans anyway, or they dont have the nice big rubber weights). I'd rather do a push press or just a typical military OH press

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    any overhead press motion is good for your front delts

    I think the clean & press is a 'better' exercise in many ways because it activates more muscles but you gotta question if you WANT to be activating those muscles

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    I personally would not do any pressing movements at all.........my anterior delts get plenty of work when I do chest. Stick to lateral raises for the medial head, try some bent lateral raises for the posterior head, and do insanely heavy shrugs for your traps. Of course, this is just my opinion and works for me exlusively as far as I know.

    A very wise lifter taught me that shoulders are so easily overtrained because nearly every exercise you do involves the shoulders in one way or another.......with that in mind, he also advised me to stop working shoulders altogether for a month or two......I did just that, and believe it or not, my shoulders still kept up with the rest of me (size-wise). I need only do laterals for the posterior head and shrugs for traps when I do shoulders. Just be careful not to injure those shoulders by overtraining.
    Height: 5' - 10"
    Weight: 220 lbs
    Chest: 49"
    Waist: 35"
    Quads: 27.5"
    Bi/Tri: 18"

    Bench: 305 x 1
    Barbell Curl: 160 x 1

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    Originally posted by Scott S
    Yeah, get rid of the upright raises. They're bad for your shoulders. And stop shouting.
    How are upright raises bad for the shoulders?

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    Originally posted by utah82

    How are upright raises bad for the shoulders?
    :withstupi

    I've always done them, never done me any harm?? Built my traps well in doing so too.
    I'm not moaning, i'm having an opinion.

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    You have no posterior delt exercise there.

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    Originally posted by Dedicated
    You have no posterior delt exercise there.
    You mean with upright raises?

    Upright raises aren't supposed to target the posterior delts... they are meant to target the lateral delts. For posterior delts, I do seated lat raises or bent over BB row.

    I prefer seated lat raises.. much more difficult and easier to maintain the form.

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    No I meant in general for the shoulder workout that was posted.

    prefer seated lat raises.. much more difficult and easier to maintain the form.
    Same.

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    Originally posted by Dedicated
    No I meant in general for the shoulder workout that was posted.


    Same.
    Oh, I thought you were dogging me for my question.. I thought it was kind of dumb, but not that dumb heh :P

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