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The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness

Itís no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

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    Powerlifting and aesthetics

    I have been looking at powerlifting sites lately as my goals have been leaning towards strength rather than just increasing mass. Not to insult powerlifters or anything, but the majority of the ones that I see do not have the most aesthetic bodies, but they are some strong mofo's. I was wondering why exactly this is? Is it just because they don't moderate their diet as much as regular bodybuilders? If you were to follow a powerlifters workout but watch the diet as if you were a bodybuilder, I would think you would be stronger than most bodybuilders but still have a great looking body. From what I see on the sites though, this doesn't seem to be a common occurence. Why?

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    the hughe amount of fat supports the muscles and protects them.
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    The powerlifters that are high bf tend to be the heavy weight lifters. Once you hit the unlimited class there is almost no point (other then medical) to lose extra bodyfat. If you were to look at the champion lifters under 220 pounds most have a low bf%. If you train for powerlifting and have a good diet you will still look good when you cut down.
    Another thing is when you gain a ton of weight and your chest gets bigger your bench ROM will shorten which will lead to a bigger bench.
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    Now Rock, not all powerlifters are fat! In fact, most of them are quite lean. You are generalizing the heaviest weight classes to represent the whole. Other than the heaviest weight classes, most powerlifters do not carry excess bodyfat, it would be a detriment to them by making them compete in a higher weight class than necessary.

    One reason that many powerlifters may not have aesthictically pleasing physiques (to you Chase) is because of genetics. In other words, most people begin lifting weights for a specific reason other than to be a bodybuilder or powerlifter. They workout to get stronger for football, look good for girls, to gain weight, etc. Fairly quickly, they start to get results. Some may gain more strength than size (they may lean towards powerlifting), others the opposite (they may lean towards bodybuilding). Some may get bigger and stronger, but still have non-aesthetic physiques. So you see, the results dictate how people categorize themselves. Of course there are other factors, but this is one.

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    Just to add to what gettin bigger and Chris said, powerlifters also do a ton of heavy squats, deads and ab work. This tends to build up their stomach muscles moreso then a pure bodybuilder. Many of them have large waistlines, though very tight and strong, not aesthetically pleasing to most. The wider the base, or tomach in this case, usually the stronger the squat and pull.
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    well, fat has some effect on strength. like bears, for example, they are not that lean, but can destroy a car without will (there was a doc that showed that bears don't put more effort in breaking into cars than any other natural thing they come to destroy). they ddi tests and foudn out that fatter bears (as rite b4 winter) hae more test than leaner ones.

    also, bb's do fat-loss specific methods (cutting, maybe some stimlulants) but powerlifters should only worry about gettting stronger w/o gaining too much weight (fat doesn't weigh a lot in terms of density). powerlifting and bodybuilding have two entirely diffferent goals
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    Lol latman you dissapoint me.

    The ammount of size you gain from all that heavy ab work would hardly be enough to make a difference. You could work your abs like crazy, but if your fat you'll have a big waist, if your lean it will be stronger. It's not like powerlifters'bs are gonna get any bigger than bodybuilders', and bodybuilder's abs aren't disgustingly huge.
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    Originally posted by DaChickenShowYo
    Lol latman you dissapoint me.

    The ammount of size you gain from all that heavy ab work would hardly be enough to make a difference. You could work your abs like crazy, but if your fat you'll have a big waist, if your lean it will be stronger. It's not like powerlifters'bs are gonna get any bigger than bodybuilders', and bodybuilder's abs aren't disgustingly huge.
    DaChickenShowYo; you dissapoint me. What you just said made absolutely no sense to me.

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    I dissapoint you?


    Go tell an elite powerlifter that his 40+ inch waist is due to being a fat bastard and not a strong, built up midsection with fat on it yes, but not a beer belly. Foo
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    What Chris said makes a whole lot of sense to me:

    1) Other than the heaviest weight class, the powerlifters are going to be as concerned about excess fat as the bodybuilders.

    2) If a man is strong but doesn't have the genetics to have a bodybuilder's proportions, he's more likely to gravitate toward powerlifting than bodybuilding.

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    A good example would be Strong Man competitions. You've got guys with high bf% and those who have low bf%. They both compete at the same level.


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    What are you talking about?

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    DaChickenShowYo - You ever heard of squatter's ass? Squatters ass happens for a reason. Also, want to believe it or not... working abs contributes GREATLY to having good compound lifts such as a squat, and/or deadlift.

    That was a very arrogant statement, when in fact, Latman is correct.
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    Da Chicken, a powerlifter may carry some fat around his/her midsection but don't be fooled by this appearance. They have some nice abdominals that are highly functionally to their sport.

    Podium, I do believe that the subject of fat was directed towards humans, not animals, even though I guess you could in a sense lable us all as animals.
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    Originally posted by DaChickenShowYo
    Lol latman you dissapoint me.

    The amount of size you gain from all that heavy ab work would hardly make a difference in your waist size. You could work your abs like crazy, but if you're fat you'll have a big waist, if your lean it will be small (by small I mean 30-35 inches). It's not like powerlifter's abdominal muscles are gonna get any bigger than bodybuilder's, and bodybuilder's abs aren't all that disgustingly huge anyways.
    Trying to make that a little clearer.

    What does squatters ass have to do with abs?

    Maki and kazuki, I never said powerlifters abs weren't strong or functional or anything like that. If anyone knows that, I do. Not that I'm a huge strong mofo, but I've done my homework. And from experience I've learned this. After a good squat or deadlift workout, my abs are sore like crazy. The core muscles, mainly lowerback and abs, transfer the weight to the movers and keep you stable. If you have a weak core, even if your glutes and legs can move a huge weight, if you get under it and squat, you will crumple to the ground.

    Latman, you can't have a 40 inch waist that is all muscle. It's not gonna happen. Do you have any idea how thick your abs would be to have even a 35" waist that is ripped? If a powerlifter dieted down, it's doubtful that their abs would be bigger than a huge bodybuilder's, if not smaller. Go look at pics of some relatively lean powerlifters or strength atheletes.
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    Originally posted by DaChickenShowYo


    Latman, you can't have a 40 inch waist that is all muscle. It's not gonna happen. Do you have any idea how thick your abs would be to have even a 35" waist that is ripped? If a powerlifter dieted down, it's doubtful that their abs would be bigger than a huge bodybuilder's, if not smaller. Go look at pics of some relatively lean powerlifters or strength atheletes.

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    Squatter's ass is related in the sense that the muscles grow outward making it appear "large" - Aesthetically pleasing to some, nan to others. Same goes with the midsection and the supporting muscles of a PL.

    All said aside yes they do have more bodyfat than a normal 'bodybuilder'. Are they fat? Some. All? Naaaaaa. Keep in mind they do not train for the looks.
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    All said aside yes they do have more bodyfat than a normal 'bodybuilder'. Are they fat? Some. All? Naaaaaa. Keep in mind they do not train for the looks.


    You all need to keep in mind that most bodybuilders don't look anything like they do onstage most of the time. In fact, quite a few of them blow up by 50 lbs + over their contest weight during the off-season.


    Chicken, I understand what you are trying to say, but some of the things you are saying are inaccurate. A man could easily have a 35" waist that is ripped, especially a man with a large frame. You are also under 2 misconceptions. One, the waist sizes that you read about in the magazines of most bodybuilders are bogus. A man who is 5'10" and 250 lbs ripped does not have a 32" waist. Two, I think you are projecting yourself and your experiences onto others, in other words, you cannot imagine having a 35" waist that is ripped, so you think that it would not be possible for others. I do agree that a powerlifter's abs would not be any larger than a bodybuilder, in fact I think the opposite would be true due to genetic and training differences, just like the rest of the musculature (i.e. bodybuilders with similar frames to a powerlifter normally have larger, albeit functionally weaker muscles).
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    Chris- To comment on the size of abs. Most Plers build up the strenth and size of their abs with not only heavy compound movements, but heavy direct ab work. Most bodybuilders do light ab work. The abs, being like any other muscle in the body, would obviously grow more from heavy resistance, right? I guarantee that most PLers dieted to the same bf% as a bodybuilder would have a larger midesection.
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    I agree with Latman. With increased resistance comes increased size. The abs are just like other muscles.

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    I think you boys need to take a look at some of your favorite professional bodybuilders. They have incredibly enormous abs! You will note, I said abs , not entire mid-sections which are constituted by multiple muscle groups. If lifting heavier weights was the only criteria for big muscles, powerlifters would surely have larger triceps than professional bodybuilders of similar frames and weight, but alas they do not. Genetics and training, drugs, and how they are combined also play a role.

    To clarify a bit more. Remember, increased resistance with consistent form causes/= increased size in the individual . However, if one guys lifts more than another on a given exercise, he does not necessarily have larger muscles than the other guy. The principle does is not always valid between individuals. Which, of course, brings us back to my first point that genetics will help to determine the course of a lifter's life with regards to the weights. The guy that blows up in size, but not so much in strength will probably become the bodybuilder and the guy who does the opposite will gravitate towards powerlifting.
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    I agree with chris. No powerlifter is gonna get bigger than an elite bodybuilder, why? because its not what they train for.

    I suppose you're right about waist sizes, since so many factors come into play, such as lowerback, obliques, GH gut, and bone structure. But the main point I was trying to get across was that rectus abdominal development isn't going to affect your waist size much. Maybe 2-5 inches most.
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    Well, 2-5" is quite a bit when you think about it, but I get your point.

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    I agree with latman.
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    So I find this law at work: When I want to do good, evil is right there with me. For in my inner being I delight in God's law; but I see another law at work in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within my members. What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body of death? Thanks be to God--through Jesus Christ our Lord!"
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