I was replying to the OP's post. I suggest that you go back to school and take a class of common courtesy.Originally Posted by -sin-
As for the OP, why did you state in your post "minus all the variables of training". As the only way to subtract all the variables of training would be not to train at all, it sounded like you were asking about untrained strength potential. This is not a flame, but the way your original post was worded that is what it looked like you were asking.