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    Trouble with deads

    Alright... my deadlift sucks. Time to fix it. I don't really know where the problem lies. I'm thinking my lowerback is the weak link but I'm not sure. I am pretty sure my form is good (usually stick with sumo deads... easier to hold on to the bar and spares my shins a might bit). Hamstrings may be a bit weak... but I dunno. It's frustrating cuz I squat more than 100lbs over what I can dead... and that's after working on it since june.

    Right now I weigh about 165 at 5'6 or 5'7.
    squat: 405 x 4 or 5 (should mean strong glutes and hams)
    dead: 275 x 5 or 6

    I usually hit squats early in the week... start off light and work my way up 40 or 50lbs at a time.
    135, 225, 275 x8-10
    315, 365 x6-8
    (405x4-5 when I'm feeling really good... don't lift that heavy too often.)

    I usually hit deads about 3 days after squats. I try to do them on a raised platform but at my new gym they're dragging their feet on finding me one. I'll usually throw down a couple plates and stand on those. Anyway deads usually look sumthin like this:
    135, 185x8-10
    225, 275x5-8

    I'll throw SLDLs in there every so often either in place of or in addition to regular deads...I am going to try n run them more often, maybe goodmornings and focus on lower back more. I usually get my lower back pretty well, though indirectly, during most workouts anyway so I dunno.

    I don't know what else I can give ya to work with really... I know this is pretty vague. Lemme know what's helped and what hasn't in your own lifting.

    The only thing I can think of is just keep hitting the deads really.

    What advice ice can you boys give me?
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    Ok, a couple of things:

    First of all, standing on plates increases the ROM of the dead, and is probably the main reason you're lagging so much. That's a technique powerlifters use to increase starting strength, but if you're just trying to do the movement, do it flat on the floor.

    Second, do deads first in the week, and squat lighter than you normally would.

    Thirdly, try doing them conventional if the above advice doesn't work. How do you squat? If its a more narrow stance than your sumo, that could also play a role.

    Give it a try and let me know.
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    how's your hamstring strength ? and how is your lower back and traps in terms of muscle size ??? If there not a weak body part ... does it really matter how much weight your lifting !!???!!??

    I'd try giving your legs a longer rest. I know that when I lift I drive through my legs.
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    Originally posted by YatesNightBlade
    ... does it really matter how much weight your lifting !!???!!??
    That's probably the best lesson on this entire site. As long as you are making gains with the weight you are using. It doesn't matter how much weight you are lifting.

    Nice squat by the way. I wish I had the problem of squatting more than I dead.

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    I'm the opposite. My squat is weaker than my dead. If we figure out what's wrong with us and then help each other out, maybe we could be both strong squatters and deadlifters. It's almost too easy.
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    Good points above.

    It could be that you are just a sucky deadlifter. Nothing wrong with that.

    I'd focus on the form thing. You might have the bar too far out in front of you (even sumo, the bar should come up your shins).. and sumo might not be your best pulling stance.

    Also, take a look at Deepsquatter.com.
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    What part of the rep is it that you fail on?
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    Power, that's the main reason that I started doing deads on the platforms. My problem is usually at the bottom of the rep. If I can get things moving then I'm usually fine. When I lose it, it's usally just getting started... I'might get a few inches off the ground and drop.

    "As long as you are making gains with the weight you are using. It doesn't matter how much weight you are lifting."
    True true, but my thing is my dead hasn't really progressed much at all and given the weights I'm working with on other things it seems that I'm overlooking something or there's something wrong with the way I train. I've considered the fact that I'm just not built for deads but who knows.

    As far as my squat, I take a pretty wide stance... it's pretty much the same stance I use for deads. Paul, I still bang up my shins quite a bit, but the wide stance it's a little more forgiving. I think concentrating on form may be the key. I might be leaning forward a bit much... but's hard to tell. I wish I could see myself actually doing em. I should get a friend to film me or sumthin I guess.

    I think I'll try moving deads to first off in the week. I'm gonna switch to a conventional dead for a while too... and see what I can do about that video camera.
    Last edited by Tadger; 09-28-2001 at 01:47 PM.
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    Tadger if you have access to a low pulley you could try pull thrus and you can do zercher squats. The zerchers should build up the bottom strenght on your deadlift
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    Raa! Deadlift is up to 315.... finally. I changed my form a bit and my weight just jumped right up... even after being sick for a couple weeks. I was pulling with my back too much in the beginning and it was stalling me before I got started. I am still doin sumo deads. I haven't had a platform to use, but just off the floor even, I can tell that my new form is much better. I got someone to watch me do it and kinda critique a bit. I lift with just my legs first, and make sure that as the bar passes my knees that my legs are straight. My lower back was a litle lacking and I think that my hams were a little weak cuz that's where I got really really sore when I was done. Now things are kinda sorta starting to even out. I don't think that my strength increased too much really, but the new form really lets me move alot more weight. Gonna work on lower back and hams a bit more still... but I think that my dead should come up pretty nicely now. Thanks guys.
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    Congrats. Form and technique is a big part of deads. I've seen so many people 'throw out' their lower backs from not doing them correctly.

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    Deadlifts is one of the movements that require a lot of rest to progress on if you do them heavy. At least 10 days between heavy deadlift sessions for me to make progress. Checking my notes from earlier this year when I did more deads, if I had only 7 days between sessions I wasn't able to increase weight or reps.
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    What about your squats? How do you progress with them?

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    Atm I can get a way with about half the rest I need for deads.
    I have long legs and arms so I find deadlifting easier that squatting so I can hit them with more weights but I'm trying to work on my squat now to get it better. I'm sure that when my squat gets closer to my dead I will need to add more rest between squat sessions too to make progress.

    I'm not doing heavy deadlifting now that I concentrate on getting a better squat. Only SLDL's and cleans.

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    Originally posted by LiftAgain
    I'm not doing heavy deadlifting now that I concentrate on getting a better squat.
    Heh heh heh... kinda funny, I'm doin the exact opposite. I hit 365 yesterday and that's the heaviest that I've squatted in a while. I feel like I'm neglecting my poor legs.
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    Congrats man!
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    Originally posted by YatesNightBlade
    ... does it really matter how much weight your lifting !!???!!??
    for me, yes. I don't just want larger muscles but I also want to have the strength to match.

    (note: *not* an ego lifter)
    half the time I have no idea what you're talking about. the other half, I'm not listening.

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    Are you doing full squats? If yes, then the problem is probably in your grip strength. If no, then do some full squats and good mornings.

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    A couple inches off the floor is where most people fail when doing deads, so do yourself a favor and keep everything on the floor. A strong deadlift would suggest to me strong glutes and hams, because you can "sit down" easier on deads than squats, recruiting more glute and ham muscle to perform the movement.
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    Originally posted by HK
    Are you doing full squats? If yes, then the problem is probably in your grip strength. If no, then do some full squats and good mornings.

    HK
    I'm confused...

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    damnit everybodys benching, squatting and deadlifting over their own bodyweight and i cant get anywhere close.
    guess i shouldn`t complain as im improving... but still

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    Dude, I'm not doing my bodyweight either. But I am getting closer.

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    You'll get there eventually.

    There used to be a kid in one of my physical conditioning classes last year who weighed a good 200+ lbs and he was barely benching 115. The average person can't bench their own weight; don't feel bad.

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    "The average person can't bench their own weight; don't feel bad."

    Well... I can bench better than my lean body weight, I can bench better than my ideal bodyweight, but I can't bench my total bodyweight (25 lbs off). My squats and deads are about 160% of my ideal weight, so I guess I'm above average

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