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The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness

Its no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

By: Nick Tumminello Added: January 6th, 2014
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    Training of an Athlete

    Sorry for another journal, but I have my reasons. I have been doing some reading and came to the conclusion that Powerlifting isn't that good for athleticism, but that OL lifting is far superior. They develop speed, power, explosivness, coordination, the whole works. I will be doing an olympic based routine. However, it will not be pure because I don't have the resources to learn the full range lifts, since I live in Nowhere, Texas. I will be focusing on Hang and Power versions of each lift. I havn't finalized a routine yet, but I will soon. I plan on doing track and field next year, I would have this year, but the season has already started.


    I did a short workout today just to see get some maxes-

    Power Cleans-
    135X5
    165X5
    185X1
    205X1
    210X1
    225Xmiss.

    Okay, technique needs work, second pull needs to be stronger.

    Full OL Squats-
    135X5
    225X3
    275X1
    300X1
    315X1
    335X1

    DIdn't want to go any heavier, as I was working out alone. These were good. Speed was poor, but I'll work on it. I stayed completely upright on all sets, I won't count it as a squat if there is a goodmorning action involved, has to be completely flawless form.

    Power Snatches-
    45X5
    95X3
    115X3
    135X2
    150X1

    Hmm, after watching a few videos, I did these the best I could. I MIGHT have been able to do 165, but I didn't want to attempt it without a spotter. I need to keep the bar closer to my body on these.


    Just a little mini-maxing session. I will contact a few people to get a routine worked up.

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    Thanks for the spam St. Patty.

    *tackles pizdoff*



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    *Blows up into little pieces*

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    *jumps on his shell untill he gets an extra life*

    btw good luck man. i think that doing a lot of olympic lifting and a lot of powerlifting would be the best way to go. im doing the powerlifting, and im starting the olympic lifting too.
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    -Look..first I am scared little freezing virgin munk, but then I bare my self and I am nothing like a freezing virgin!
    -Then I saw a little african boy sleeping, and I thought...that is little Okeke, he is tired from herding all the goats and the big goat got away today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by biggimp
    *jumps on his shell untill he gets an extra life*
    LMAO

    Quote Originally Posted by Hercule
    I have been doing some reading and came to the conclusion that Powerlifting isn't that good for athleticism, but that OL lifting is far superior. They develop speed, power, explosivness, coordination, the whole works.
    There was a study comparing the two styles of lifting for athleticism in the latest Journal of Strength & Conditioning Research.

    Good luck with the new journal man.
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    Pizdoff- *sweeps pieces under rug to keep journal tidy*

    Biggimp- Yeh, I am focusing on OL lifting, w just a lil bit of PL in there. I want the explosivness for shotput and football, but a little strength never hurts, plus OL lifts can put a LOT of weight on you DL.

    Shane- Thanks a lot man.


    Finally got me a routine-

    Tuesday-
    Power Clean
    Incline Bench
    Push Press


    Thursday-
    Power Snatch
    Squats
    RDL's
    Heavy Sit-ups

    Saturday-
    Front Squats
    Snatch or Clean Grip DL's
    Jerks
    Rows

    I will be periodizing this 80%/85%/95%/80%. Probly 5 reps w/ 80, 4 w/ 85, and 1-2 w/95.

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    Can you not still go out for track and field? Talk to the coach, you might still be able to go if nothing else practice. I wouldn't put it off until next year or you'll be kicking yourself. Maybe tell him that you want to at least start practicing for next year. That way you can start learning some of the techniques if you haven't done it before.
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    Homey-
    My dad is a track coach. I don't want to get into this year, because I don't believe I would do very well, plus I am not in athletics. I plan to borrow a ball this summer and start practicing. I threw 2 years ago, and was the only one to break 40' on my Jr. High team. I can get w/ the head coach, he'd be happy to work with me. I will work on my technique and weightlifting all year, and throw next year. I don't want to just go out there and start throwing, I want to be competitive with it.

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    As long as you can get the pratice in otherwise. For throwing, practice is almost as much of it as strength (which you have).
    What is elite?
    "Those who work the hardest often complain the least." -anonymous
    Pain is inevitable. Suffering is optional.

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    im doing shot too... btw dont call it a ball, that gets a lot of people mad

    also, just wait till you get a 12 pound shot. when i went from a 8 pound jr high shot to a 12 pound high schooler. form is so much more important than strength, and there is such a thing as throwing too much. just keep that in mind, im sure youll do good.
    Rock Quotes:
    -Girls like big strong men, all the other men has to find a niche or a thing they supposedly love, you know...like saving whales or reading books, to get laid.
    -Look..first I am scared little freezing virgin munk, but then I bare my self and I am nothing like a freezing virgin!
    -Then I saw a little african boy sleeping, and I thought...that is little Okeke, he is tired from herding all the goats and the big goat got away today.
    Quote Originally Posted by fixationdarknes
    And I'll clench my buttcheeks as hard as I can to keep free of intruders.


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    Biggimp- I know what you mean, I trained w/ the 12lbs. shot in 8th grade instead of the 8lber, so the 8lbs. didn't feel heavy at all. My coach used to be a college coach, and he knows what he's doing. He's 47, about 150lbs, w/ a history of several shoulder injuries, and he can throw the shot close to 50 feet, his technique is beautiful, I'll work w/ him a lot.

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    Power Snatches-
    45X3
    95X3
    115X3
    135X3
    150X2
    160X1

    Good sets. 160 is a PR for power snatches, my second time doing them, so its not a real PR, just a technique improvement that allowed a little higher weight. Very fast and explosive.

    Full OL Squats-
    135X3
    225X3
    275X3
    300X1
    320X1(94%)

    Good sets. Worked on speed. 320 was WAY too slow, though.

    RDL's-
    135X5
    225X5
    305X5

    Good sets. Not too heavy.

    Weighted Roman Chair's-
    BW+25X6 (3)


    Nice workout. Not starting periodization until I get back from Skiing.

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    Power Clean & Jerk-
    45X5
    135X3
    160X3
    185X2
    200X1 (95%)

    Good sets. Last set was the only set I had to manually push the weight to lock out it, the rest were very powerful from the clean and slight dip. The jerks were uncoordinated, but got a little better towards the end, they need work.

    Hang Cleans-
    135X3
    160X3
    185X3
    205X1 (95%)

    Good sets, fast and powerful.

    Standing Military Press-
    155X3 (3)

    Just finishing my shoulders.


    Nice workout. Off to Colorado tommorow for some skiing, I'll be back Thursday.

    RYan

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    hey hercule... good luck with the OL lifting. do you have any prior experience with OL lifting? i would be too afraid to try OL lifts with a coach. anyway, i can tell this will be an interesting journal to read.

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    good job on the power olympic lifts. i suck at hang clean, i can only do 190 once for a max, and i bench like 230-240, so that should tell you something. most people i know with good form hang clean more than they bench.
    Rock Quotes:
    -Girls like big strong men, all the other men has to find a niche or a thing they supposedly love, you know...like saving whales or reading books, to get laid.
    -Look..first I am scared little freezing virgin munk, but then I bare my self and I am nothing like a freezing virgin!
    -Then I saw a little african boy sleeping, and I thought...that is little Okeke, he is tired from herding all the goats and the big goat got away today.
    Quote Originally Posted by fixationdarknes
    And I'll clench my buttcheeks as hard as I can to keep free of intruders.


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    AH! I'm home! It was a great trip. It was pretty warm, so a few of the hot young ladies were wearing tank tops...very nice . The first day was terrible, I skiied like a 2 year old. 2nd day was great, I masted turning, and conquered a few Blues. 3rd day was the best, I did a few blacks, and didn't fall once. A few more days and Double Blacks would have been possible. Very fun time. I cheated horribly, but I am only 1lbs. heavier than when I left .

    Debussy- Thanks man. Nope, no prior experience, no coach, no nothin. I do a lot of reading about form, and watch a lot of videos so I can get a basic idea. Since I am using them for athletic training, I will not be using full range so I won't have to fuss with technique, and I can focus power output. I'm not really scared of the lifts, I do them on a platform so I can drop the weight any time, and my dad spots me so I don't fall over.

    BG- Hey man thanks. Gah, i always used to suck at power and hang cleans, I didn't break 100lbs until my freshmen year, LoL, then they skyrocketed after learning better form. My bench is so high that it'll be a while before my hang clean catches up.

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    Well, gym flooded over the weekend, so it'll be closed for a while. I thought it the perfect time to practice some more olympic lifting. I have a routine all set for or after summer, depending on my final decision about football playing. I did several 100m sprints tonight, lost after 11, LoL. I will lift tommorow.

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    Speed Squats-
    160X2 (8)

    Kept these extra light to work on pure speed. Speed got better w/ every set. Explosion off the box is lacking, but it'll get better.

    Conventional Deadlifts-
    135X5 (2)
    225X5
    300X5
    315X5
    350X3
    375X1
    405X1
    415X1

    Huge PR! This was great. I was so freakin psyched. I beat my old PR by 10lbs, and I am 40lbs lighter

    Bentover BB Rows-
    135X8
    185X8
    205X8
    225X5

    Good sets

    Roman Chairs-
    BW+35X8 (3)

    Great workout. I did a Heavy Box squat workout on Monday and a Board Press workout on Tuesday. I got 280X3 on the 3 boards. My squat workout was bad, but it'll get better. OL's Saturday.

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    Awesome...I am impressed dude - getting up to 415 on the deads has got to do a lot on your mindset...Nice!

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    THanks a lot man.

    OL Day

    Power Cleans-
    135X3 (2)
    160X3
    185X3
    205X1

    Not too heavy, just working on form since I'm just getting back into the lifts.

    Power Snatches-
    95X3
    115X3
    135X3
    150X2

    Stayin light here too. Good sets. VERY explosive.

    Push Presses-
    135X3
    160X3
    185X1 (2)

    Staying light on here as well.

    Good OL day. I'll go heavier next week. Form still needs some work.

    Til Monday.

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    looking good on your oly lifts, cant wait to see the numbers once you get back into it! the push jerk/press i probably one of my favorite exercises, i dont know why, but its the only one that i can put over 200 pounds over my head easily.
    Rock Quotes:
    -Girls like big strong men, all the other men has to find a niche or a thing they supposedly love, you know...like saving whales or reading books, to get laid.
    -Look..first I am scared little freezing virgin munk, but then I bare my self and I am nothing like a freezing virgin!
    -Then I saw a little african boy sleeping, and I thought...that is little Okeke, he is tired from herding all the goats and the big goat got away today.
    Quote Originally Posted by fixationdarknes
    And I'll clench my buttcheeks as hard as I can to keep free of intruders.


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