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    carbless breakfast bad 4 me?

    Right now after 1 year of sucessful pure weighttraining i'm finally starting to change my diet and bulk w/ a lot of calories (strangely i havve more time to fix my diet now that i'm in college!). My breakfast is usually 3 eggs, or 12 fish sticks. today i ate 3 eggs and 5 strips of bacon. in fear that i'm eating a keto diet when i'm actually trying to bulk i have a glass of milk. Is eggs or fishsticks for breakfast not enuf for bulking? Are carbs necessary?
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    YES!! Carbs are necessary! You've gone for about 8 hours without eating any carbs, if you don't eat some now your workout will probly suffer. When bulking carbs are very important.

    The eggs are good...but how many? As for fishsticks...ummm... yuck. They're probly kinda high in fat, I'd get rid of'em. For carbs have your milk and add half a cup of oats in there. That should do nicely. (for added taste throw some sweetner and cinnamon into the oats. )

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    i eat a carbless breakfast all the time.....morning snack too...actually i don't actually eat anything vaguely carby til about noon. but then again I'm ona pseudo keto type thing anyways...so you might not want to take my advice.
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    CARBS!!!!!!!!!!!! , eat carbs, have so Oatmeal in the morning, or maybe the less healthy english muffin. I usually throw my eggs on one of those Sandwhich Size english muffins, add a bananna and a fruit cup and your set..

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    It depends.

    when do you train?

    What is the rest of your diet like?
    Squats work better than supplements.
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    *scratches head* hmmmmm...that breakfast seems familiar Manipul8r....

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    You don't need carbs with breakfast unless you train afterwards.

    I eat 8 meals a day, only 4 of them contain carbs.

    Answer Paul's q's.

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    You need carbs with your breakfast.


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    Originally posted by Ronan
    You need carbs with your breakfast.


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    Well you ain't eat'n carbs anyway Maki; so your input is garbage. J/K.

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    Originally posted by Ronan
    You need carbs with your breakfast.

    Why?
    Squats work better than supplements.
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    You have fasted for on average 8hrs while sleeping, cortisol levels are at their highest and blood glucose levels are at there lowest(besides after intense training)

    Also fat storage capacity is very low first thing in the morning.

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    Good points there Ronan. The only reason I would see somebody not having some carbs for breakfast would be if they are doing a CKD or TKD.
    "In the grand scheme of things, both things are quite superficial(obsessed with being muscular&ripped and incredibly strong). And yet lifting can teach you so much. My time at the gym--at least when I'm lifting--is invariably the high-point of my day. There aren't any questions; I almost don't even think. I go into an almost meditative trance-like state. Day-to-day worries become insignificant. I'm focused solely on the weight, and my reason for existence is clear. To move the bar and to improve on what I accomplished last time. Seldom are things so simple." - Blood&Iron

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    Maki you take "everyone is different" waaaaay too far.

    Anyhow, it depends on goals.

    For fat loss, you WANT blood glucose low. Low blood glucose = high glucagon = fat burning.

    I don't see why cortisol would be high in the morning as it's a stress hormone, I wouldn't exactly call sleeping stressful. hGH is released a lot during sleep and it plays a role in both anabolism and fat burning.

    Even when trying to gain I think you should try to take advantage of both glucagon and insulin. Which means some meals have carbs and some don't. I've been going on about this a lot lately but it's for good reason. Separate your carbs and fat. Take advantage of both glucagon and insulin, anabolism and fat burning, etc.

    If you don't eat carbs in a meal, then eat fat with that meal. I eat 8 meals/day 4 of them contain bout 40-50g of protein, 50-70g carbs of and little fat (less than 10g). Then the other 4 have 40-50g of protein, 0-10g of carbs, and 30-40g of fat.

    Working pretty ace as of now, my metabolism seems to be through the roof from this...which I don't quite understand but oh well.
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    I'm with Ronan, in the morning cortisol levels ARE at their highest when compared to normal activity throughout the day.

    There are probably a host of factors other than stress as to why cortisol is released Cack.
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    Cacker is so right...I always separate my carbs from my fats. I got all the way to 195(LOL might not seem like much but 2 years before I was 140 something!) or so even when I had platued at around 180 something then I started separating and I felt much better. Once I'm done with this ckd I'm gonna go back to the same separating carbs from fats. Works great give it a shot.
    "In the grand scheme of things, both things are quite superficial(obsessed with being muscular&ripped and incredibly strong). And yet lifting can teach you so much. My time at the gym--at least when I'm lifting--is invariably the high-point of my day. There aren't any questions; I almost don't even think. I go into an almost meditative trance-like state. Day-to-day worries become insignificant. I'm focused solely on the weight, and my reason for existence is clear. To move the bar and to improve on what I accomplished last time. Seldom are things so simple." - Blood&Iron

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    Perhaps higher, but definately not highest. Anyway, what makes you think carbs are the only way to blunt cortisol?

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    Of course right now I'm not eating any carbs(except on the weekend) cuz of the ckd. And of course talk is cheap so I will post some pics once I'm done with this ckd.
    "In the grand scheme of things, both things are quite superficial(obsessed with being muscular&ripped and incredibly strong). And yet lifting can teach you so much. My time at the gym--at least when I'm lifting--is invariably the high-point of my day. There aren't any questions; I almost don't even think. I go into an almost meditative trance-like state. Day-to-day worries become insignificant. I'm focused solely on the weight, and my reason for existence is clear. To move the bar and to improve on what I accomplished last time. Seldom are things so simple." - Blood&Iron

    "Most people cannot understand what burns in our blood, the gym is our addiction and iron is our drug. People don't understand why we commit hours a day to a goal where progress is so small it seems immeasurable, why we do cardio instead of watch TV, why eat 6 meals a day, why we insist on ordering diet soda or how we can drink skim milk. Most people will simply never grasp why we refuse to settle for a mediocre body." - Severed Ties

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    Maybe cuz you havent eaten in like 8 hours?
    "In the grand scheme of things, both things are quite superficial(obsessed with being muscular&ripped and incredibly strong). And yet lifting can teach you so much. My time at the gym--at least when I'm lifting--is invariably the high-point of my day. There aren't any questions; I almost don't even think. I go into an almost meditative trance-like state. Day-to-day worries become insignificant. I'm focused solely on the weight, and my reason for existence is clear. To move the bar and to improve on what I accomplished last time. Seldom are things so simple." - Blood&Iron

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    I don't think carbs are the ONLY way to blunt cortisol....they'd help though.

    Just throwing some facts out there.
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    All food blunts cortisol.

    If you ate a cow turd it would blunt cortisol.

    If those are facts then provide references.

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    Shouldn't be that hard to find this info...it came off the top of my head.

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    That's what I thought.

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    http://www.aeiveos.com/diet/melatoni.../94120296.html


    This isn't even where I heard about cortisol levels during sleep, but this backs it up.

    I'm sure I can find more.
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    Interesting.

    Carbs are most certainly NOT the only way to blunt cortisol. Further, I'm not so sure cortisol levels will be an issue at all if you are eating enough (of anything).

    I still don't see why you HAVE to eat carbs in the morning. (please note, I am not suggesting it is better to not eat them, just pointing out that this is not black/white)

    BTW, I looked at that study. It backs up nothing said in this thread.
    Last edited by Paul Stagg; 10-03-2001 at 02:25 PM.
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