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    Left Knee

    About six years ago i tore my minicus in my left knee and had it repaired. Latley it has been hurting a lot and when i bend it it sounds like Rice Krispies in milk. Any idea whats going on?

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    could be calcium fragments breaking away? (wild guess)
    I thought I read somewhere a while back that these build up in people with more sedentery lifestyles..perhaps they built up over the last few years? not sure what your activity level was like?
    perhaps the increased blood flow from doing legs + extra weight + different movements is breaking them up?

    I hear noises in mine from time to time also btw...its always disconcerting, albeit there is never any pain...although at times my mind likes to make up pains to go along with the noises...
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    See your doc, tell him you've been bettering your physical lifestyle but the knee is painful and see what he says.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reinier
    See your doc, tell him you've been bettering your physical lifestyle but the knee is painful and see what he says.
    I am afariad he will say "lets just scope it and get a closer look"

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    Well That is unlikely, and if he decides to do that he's probably right.

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    i am going have to see the doc. Today after being on the treadmill my knee swelled up and looks like it has fluid in it.

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    Just saw saw the Ortho about my knee and of course he wants to scope it. I refused and he said take this week off and take some iburofen and take it easy and then call him. I got finals on Wednesday so i will skip training for Mon and Tues but thats it..i know my self if i went a week i would fall out of the groove

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    just do DB's and stuff that doesn't need teh legs much for stabilization.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AllUp

    just do DB's and stuff that doesn't need teh legs much for stabilization.
    are you laughing because i am in pain?

    sorry i saw the edit...if you want to see more bad news look under my lwer back thread
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    I have a bad left knee myself, (degenerative joint disease due to about 8 dislocations that I can remember) and I still squat. Here is some info that might help you.

    Knee Pain

    by Charles I. Staley, B.Sc. (co-authored with Sal A. Arria, D.C., MSS

    Knee problems of varying descriptions are as common as five pound plates
    in gyms and health clubs throughout the world. Anyone who has recently
    experienced knee surgery will attest to their awareness of this fact, as
    they quickly begin to notice legions of zipper-like knee scars among their
    gymgoing peers.

    The prevalence of these cases can be attributed largely to the fact that
    the knee is an anatomical vortex of sorts, where the body's largest and
    strongest muscle groups converge upon the tiny, yet in most cases hardy,
    kneecap. Add to this a lack of basic anatomical knowledge, improper
    exercise technique and/or selection, and unsuitable workout gear, and the
    prescription for disaster becomes compounded exponentially.

    In this discussion we will examine several factors which collectively,
    have the potential of determining your predisposition for experiencing
    knee symptoms. Much of this information has received minimal exposure
    from industry magazines and trade journals in the past, and therefore
    should be of considerable interest to current and prospective fitness
    professionals and health care specialists.

    Knee Anatomy and Biomechanics

    Keeping your knees healthy and asymptomatic begins with developing a
    functional understanding of how this unique joint is constructed
    (anatomy) and how it does and doesn't function (biomechanics). The knee
    is relatively simple to understand from a mechanical perspective, but
    please refer to the appropriate illustrations as you read this section-
    doing so will enhance your comprehension of the discussion.

    The knee is an unarthroidal (meaning movement in one direction only)
    hinge-type joint, roughly equivalent to a door hinge for practical
    purposes. Five different types of structures are involved in the knee's
    functional anatomy- bones, ligaments, tendons, muscles, and articular
    cartilage. Here then, is a brief definition of these structures:

    Bone: Purposeful human movement would not be possible without bones.
    The four bony structures which are involved in knee function are the
    femur, or thigh bone, the tibea and fibula (the shin bones), and of course,
    the patella, or kneecap.

    Ligaments: Fibrous and very tough connective tissue which connects bone
    to bone, providing stability and integrity to the joint. Two sets of
    ligaments help to stabilize the knee joint- the anterior and posterior
    cruxiates, which are deeply located within the knee, and serve to limit
    rotation and hyper-extension, and the co-laterals, one on either side of
    the knee. The co-laterals protect the knee from being moved from side to
    side, and help to establish the integrity of the joint by keeping the tibea
    and femur attached to one another.

    Tendons: Fibrous bands that that connect muscles to their bony
    attachments. In the knee, the patellar tendon connects the quadriceps
    muscles to the patella, and then in turn to the upper shin.

    Muscle: We all have a clear idea as to what muscles are, but let's examine
    the ones that cross (via their tendinous attachments) the knee joint. First
    are the quadriceps, the powerful muscles of the anterior (front) thigh.
    Next are the hamstrings, or the leg biceps, located on the posterior thigh.
    Finally, the gastrocnemious, the most superficial calf muscle, crosses
    behind the knee joint, where it contributes as a knee flexor.

    Articular Cartilage: You've heard of "torn cartilage" in knee injuries
    before. cartilage is the connective tissue which provides for a smooth
    articulation between bones at the joint. Cartilage also acts as a shock
    absorber. The meniscus is the knee's only cartilage. Located on the tibeal
    plateau, it cradles the femoral condyle, or the rounded knobs of the lower
    femur. Since the tibeal plateau is flat, and the femoral condyle is
    rounded, the meniscus provides a better "fit" between these two

    Training Gear

    For most, training attire is primarily a matter of vanity- looking good
    while you're training. But two pieces of standard training gear- your
    shoes and knee wraps- should be carefully selected and applied, not only
    to maximize comfort and short term safety, but more importantly, to
    ensure the long term health of your knees.

    Your shoes are literally where the rubber hits the road. We urge you to
    think of your shoes as the foundation of your leg training sessions.
    Wearing old or broken down fitness shoes for heavy squatting or leg
    pressing is like putting old, worn-out tires on a race car! There are
    several reasons to avoid training in your "tennies:"

    First, most general purpose fitness shoes simply lack adequate stability,
    and have little or no arch support for heavy lifting. As you squat, your
    feet may develop a tendency to pronate, or "cave in" toward the inner side.
    When this happens, the knees are also forced inward, leading to a constant
    strain on the medial collateral ligament, excessive shear force on the
    meniscus, and improper patellar tracking, which in turn can lead to
    chondromalacia (to be discussed shortly). If your feet tend to pronate
    anyway, or if you're prone to being "knock knee'd" (and these two
    conditions are very often associated with one another), it becomes even
    more important to select good training shoes.Another important reason
    for using specialized shoes for squatting or other heavy leg training
    movements is that they provide a deep and solid heel cup, which prevents
    the foot from rocking and rolling laterally (to the outside) when it is
    compressed under heavy loads.

    Finally, there is a difference between a shoe being worn out and being
    broken down. Even if your shoes look fine, they still may offer no arch or
    heel support at all, either because they never had any to start with, or
    because after a handful of heavy leg sessions, the supports have
    compressed to the point to where they no longer function as they were
    intended. Think about it- a tennis shoe is meant to support a 160 pound
    tennis player, NOT a 600 pound leg press! Loads like these cause the shoe
    to break down without visual signs of wearing out.

    We strongly recommend that you choose a heavy-duty training shoe (please
    see corresponding list of companies that offer these shoes) that you use
    for training, and training only. Use a stable running shoe or cross trainer
    for everything else.

    Knee wraps have long been a mainstay for competitive powerlifters, and
    for good reason. When properly used, wraps can dramatically improve knee
    safety during heavy squatting and leg training sessions. Whenever you
    contract your quadriceps muscles, the patellar ligament "wants" to pull
    away from it's attachment at the upper front aspect of the tibea. During
    squatting, for example, the heavier you go, the lower you go, and the
    faster you descend, the more this tendency is compounded. Please refer to
    the sidebar below on proper knee wrapping.

    You'll notice that the wrap is tightly wound in a cylindrical fashion
    around the upper shin (where the patellar ligament attaches), then more
    loosely wound over the kneecap itself (this is important to avoid grinding
    the patella into the femoral condyle, creating a case of chondromalacia
    for yourself), then tightly wound over the lower third of the thigh. The
    rationale for wrapping the knees prior to heavy squatting is that it
    reduced the pulling forces on the patellar ligament at it's attachment to
    the shin. This translates to significantly reduced chances of avulsing
    (detaching) your patellar ligament during heavy leg movements.

    According to Dr. Paul Ward, knee wraps also provide several other
    benefits beyond protection of the attachment site of the patellar
    ligament. These benefits include keeping the knees warm, which improves
    blood flow and tissue elasticity, reducing the possibility of muscle tears
    during high-intensity leg pressing or squatting. Additionally, knee wraps
    assist the patella in tracking normally over the femoral condyle, reducing
    the possibility of developing chondromalacia.

    Stance Variables Affecting Knee Health

    Whenever you squat, hack squat, or leg press, your foot position is an
    important variable in determining not only the results you'll obtain from
    the exercise, but also the safety of your knee joints. Although each
    individual must determine their own best stance exercise per exercise
    (based on their own anatomical peculiarities such as height and leg
    length), the following variables must be taken into consideration:

    1) The quadriceps muscles can contract more efficiently when the feet
    are pointing slightly (about 25 to 30 degrees) outward as opposed to
    straight ahead. If you squat with a very wide stance, your adductors tend
    to assist the quads. This can result in stress to the medial collateral
    ligament, abnormal cartilage loading, and improper patellar tracking.

    2) During the decent phase of any type of squat, do not allow the knees to
    move more than 2-3 inches forward of their locked position. The further
    your knees travel over your feet, the greater the shearing forces on the
    patellar tendon and ligament. To avoid this, descend into the squat as if
    you were sitting back and down into a chair. Don't worry if you lean
    forward a bit as long as you maintain a tight and arched back, and keep
    your bodyweight over the center of your feet. The ultimate objective is to
    keep the shins as vertical as possible throughout the entire movement.

    3) In any leg training movement, make sure that your knees are tracking
    directly over your feet, not to the inside or outside. Many lifters turn
    their knees inward during the concentric phase of a heavy squat, and they
    usually aren't aware of it. Give your clients immediate feedback, since
    after all, they shouldn't be looking at their feet during the lift! If a client
    turns the knees inward, insist that they back off on weight until more
    correct movement patterns are mastered. Consider videotaping the squat
    session to provide unquestionable evidence when needed.

    Above: This lifter's knees are tracking medially (inside the plane of the feet). Over
    time, this will destroy the knee joints.

    4) During the concentric portion of squatting or leg pressing of any kind,
    instruct your clients to "push from the heels." This not only enforces a
    vertical plane of the shins, but also allows the quads to contract with
    maximum efficiency. Balance will improve as well, which adds an extra
    margin of safety.

    5) Although many top bodybuilders advocate a very close stance for the
    purpose of "isolating the quads," when squatting, remember the inherent
    trade-offs in all ergogenic (work-enhancing) techniques. In this case, any
    leg training technique that isolates the quads also intensifies the
    shearing forces to the patellar tendon and ligament. A lucky few have
    knees that can take this type of punishment, but for most of us, a slightly
    wider stance, with toes pointing slightly outward and shins vertical, is a
    much safer and still very effective alternative.

    6) Finally, teach your clients to be efficient in the exit out of the rack,
    and getting "set" in the squat stance. After lifting the weight off of the
    pins, the lifter should take just one step backward as immediately assume
    the squatting stance. This takes time to master, but eventually all the
    minute adjustments can be pared down substantially. Once set in the
    stance, cue your clients to keep their feet "nailed down" for the duration
    of the set. Many people "fidget" with their feet and toes between reps
    which can cause a variety of problems ranging from a break in
    concentration to a loss of balance.

    How to Use the Knee Wraps

    Knee wraps are only effective if used properly. So, if you've never used
    them before, take a moment to read this:

    Sit on a chair or bench. Begin with the wrap completely rolled up (this
    makes the process much easier than fighting with a six foot tangle of
    cloth). With your leg straight, start applying the wrap on the upper
    portion of your shin. Wrapping from "in" to "out," (counterclockwise for
    the left leg, clockwise for the right), anchor the wrap by applying 2-3
    layers on the upper shin, then move upward, overlapping each previous
    layer by one-half the width of the wrap. When wrapping around the
    patella, make sure the wrap is a bit loose to avoid excessive pressure on
    the kneecap. Apply the wrap tightly again as you move past the knee,
    stopping somewhere on the lower third of the thigh. Tuck the end of the
    wrap under the previous layer to secure it. Repeat for the other leg.

    Common Problems of the Knee

    Chondromalacia: Degenerative changes (roughening) of the underside of the
    kneecap. Causes pain when rising out of a chair or when climbing stairs.
    Think about getting a grain of sand under your eyelid- the synovial fluid
    acts the same way! Tight quads are responsible for 80% of
    chondromalacia. Other causes include repetitive overuse, genu valgum
    ("knock-knees"), and a shallow lateral femoral condyle.

    Patellofemoral Pain Syndrome (PFPS): Exemplified by pain in front of
    patella, which intensifies during activity. Also, pain during extended
    sitting, and/or walking up stairs. PFPS is further characterized by
    crepitus (noise), without instability. PFPS is considered to be a tracking
    problem of the patella, caused by an imbalance between the medial and
    lateral quadriceps. The damage to the underside of the patella is not
    unlike uneven tread wear in a car that needs the tires rotated.

    Unstable Knee Joint: Knee suddenly gives out. This is often caused by old
    injuries which have overstretched the knee ligaments.

    Locked Knee: The usual cause of locked knees is a torn meniscus or a loose
    body within the joint capsule.

    Swelling/Tightness: Nearly always indicates an internal injury. See
    physician immediately.

    Crepitus: Noisy knees are no reason for concern, UNLESS accompanied by
    pain and/or swelling.
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    I also have the knee crunching sounds you are experiencing, which is a breakdown of the cartilage in the knee.

    here is some more info I had:

    Following an injury to the ligaments, the bones in the joint, the knee for example, are no longer held in a stable position. This leads to instability in the knee and the bones start crunching. Crunching in a joint is a sure sign that the joint stabilizing structures are in a weakened state. If the joint instability is not treated, the degeneration in the joint will continue. Eventually this will lead to articular cartilage breakdown with the articular cartilage eroding to a point that the knee will become stiff and painful because the knee is now functioning as a bone on bone" joint.


    Osteoarthritis is the most common form of arthritis affecting most of the population over the age of 50. It is also termed degenerative joint disease because osteoarthritis involves the deterioration of the articular cartilage that lines the joints and related changes in adjacent bone and joint margins. This deterioration occurs because the supporting structures of the joints, primarily the ligaments, become injured. Once this happens the joint has some instability and starts moving excessively. This causes some crunching noises from the joint where the bones start hitting together. The areas where the bones start hitting causes an overgrowth of bone (generally at the joint margins). This overgrowth of bone along with the articular cartilage damage along with it is called osteoarthritis or degenerative joint disease (DJD).

    The most frequent sites involved are the weightbearing articulations of the spine, hips, and knees, and the distal interphalangeal joints of the hands. Symptoms of DJD usually include brief joint stiffness upon awakening and joint pain or tenderness following usage, and are associated with the typical characteristic findings on X-Ray.


    Most of the joints in the body are synovial joints, movable, highly versatile, lubricated joints. They provide pain free movement because of the unique poperties of their articular cartilage. In synovial joints, such as a knee, the articular cartilage covers and protects the bone ends, preventing friction between the bones, and acts a "shock absorber," distributing the loads of weight over a larger contact area.

    Articular cartilage has no blood vessels or nerves. It is composed of a few cells (chondrocytes) that are embedded in a sea of collagen, water and a specialized protein structures called proteoglycans. It is the condrocytes, that are reponsible for the synthesis of both the collagen and proteoglycans that make up the cartilage.

    The ability of the chondrocytes to replicate is really the key question when considering the potential of cartilage to proliferate or to repair itself. It has been shown in studies on adult human cartilage that there is no decrease in cell counts, even in individuals of advanced age. This fact only suggests that condrocytes have the ability to proliferate and repair. The prevailing notion that damaged cartilage having no regenerative properties is reponsible for arthroscopies and then subsequent joint replacements. The falsehood that the cartilage could not repair itself occured as a result of studies that seemingly confirming this in the early 1960’s. Coincidentally, the first total hip replacement was performed during this period and shortly followed by the first arthroscopy.

    Much of the research on articular cartilage regeneration has been done in the 1980’s and 1990’s. It wasn’t until the early 1980’s that Dr. H.J. Mankin discovered that the condrocytes reaction to injury was to change into a more immature cell called a chondroblast which was capable of cell proliferation, growth and healing. His research is so-well excepted that two of his papers on this subject were published in The New England Journal of Medicine.


    As seen through research, the chondrocytes, upon injury, gain the ability to replicate, proliferate, and generate new cartilage. This key fact is vital to understanding the power of Prolotherapy in proliferating cartilage.

    Prolotherapy involves the injection of various substances including hypertonic dextrose, sodium morrhuate (extract of cod liver oil), various minerals, Sarapin (extract of the pitcher plant), and various other substances many of which act by causing a mild irritation at the site of the injection. It is believed that in regard to cartilage that this irritation acts as an "ignition" to cartilage regeneration. Empirically this is supported by the numerous patients with no cartilage or those set for hip/knee replacements, we have seen in our clinic, who never need them because of Prolotherapy.

    What is Prolotherapy?
    Are you an ideal candidate for Prolotherapy?

    What is Prolotherapy?
    Prolotherapy is a simple, natural technique that stimulates the body to repair the painful area when the natural healing process needs a little assistance. Notice I said "a little assistance". Because often, that's all the body needs, the rest it can take care of on it's own. In most cases, commonly prescribed anti-inflammatory medications and more drastic measures like surgery and joint replacement may not help, and often hinder or even prevent the healing process.

    The basic mechanism of Prolotherapy is simple. A substance is injected into the affected ligaments or tendons, which leads to local inflammation. The localized inflammation triggers a wound healing cascade, resulting in the deposition of new collagen, the material that ligaments and tendons are made of. New collagen shrinks as it matures. The shrinking collagen tightens the ligament that was injected and makes it stronger. Prolotherapy has the potential of being 100 percent effective at eliminating and chronic pain due to ligament and tendon weakness, but depends upon the technique of the individual Prolotherapist. The most important aspect is injecting enough of the solution into the injured and weakened area. If this is done, the likelihood of success is excellent.

    Prolotherapy involves the treatment of two specific kinds of tissue: tendons and ligaments. A tendon attaches a muscle to the bone and involves movement of the joint. A ligament connects two bones and is involved in the stability of the joint. A strain is defined as a stretched or injured tendon; a sprain, a stretched or injured ligament. Once these structures are injured, the immune system is stimulated to repair the injured area. Because ligaments and tendons generally have a poor blood supply, incomplete healing is common after injury. This incomplete healing results in these normally taut, strong bands of fibrous or connective tissue becoming relaxed and weak. The relaxed and inefficient ligament or tendon then becomes the source of chronic pain and weakness.

    The greatest stresses to the ligaments and tendons are where they attach to the bone, the fibro-osseous junction. The most sensitive structures that produce pain are the periosteum (covering of the bone) and the ligaments. It is important to note that in the scale of pain sensitivity (which part of the body hurts more when injured), the periosteum ranks first, followed by ligaments, tendons, fascia (the connective tissue that surrounds muscle), and finally muscle. Cartilage contains no sensory nerve endings. If you are told that your cartilage is the cause of your pain, you have been misinformed; the cartilage cannot hurt because they contain no pain sensing nerves. If there is cartilage damage, the ligaments are typically the structures that hurt. Ligaments are weakest where they attach to bone. The periosteum is the most sensitive area to pain and the ligaments second. It is now easy to understand why this area hurts so much. This is where the Prolotherapy injections occur, and thus eliminate the chronic pain of many conditions including arthritis, mechanical low back pain, degenerative disc disease, cartilage injury, and sports injuries.

    Prolotherapy works by exactly the same process that the human body naturally uses to stimulate the body's healing system, a process called inflammation. The technique involves the injection of a proliferant (a mild irritant solution) that causes an inflammatory response which "turns on" the healing process. The growth of new ligament and tendon tissue is then stimulated. The ligaments and tendons produced after Prolotherapy appear much the same as normal tissues, except that they are thicker, stronger, and contain fibers of varying thickness, testifying to the new and ongoing creation of tissue. Yes, you heard me right. The ligament and tendon tissue which forms as a result of Prolotherapy is thicker and stronger than normal tissue, up to 40% stronger in some cases!

    In 1983, Y. King Liu performed a study using the knee ligament in rabbits. This study was done in order to quantify the strength of the tissue formed by Prolotherapy. In this study, a proliferant was injected into the femoral and tibial attachments of the medial collateral ligament, the inside knee ligament. The ligaments were given five Prolotherapy treatments and then compared to non-injected ligaments. The results showed that in every case Prolotherapy significantly increased ligamentous mass, thickness, and cross sectional area as well as the ligament strength. In a six-week period, ligament mass increased by 44 percent, ligament thickness by 27 percent, and the ligament bone junction strength by 28 percent. This research was yet another attestation to the effectiveness of Prolotherapy, showing that Prolotherapy actually causes new tissue to grow. Imagine what it would mean to an athlete to run 40 percent faster, jump 40 percent higher, or be 40 percent stronger? This new growth of stronger, healthier tissue is the normal and desired outcome with Prolotherapy.

    The concept behind Prolotherapy

    The term Prolotherapy was coined by George S. Hackett, M.D., the "father of Prolotherapy", in 1956. He describes Prolotherapy as follows:

    "The treatment consists of the injection of a solution within the relaxed ligament and tendon which will stimulate the production of new fibrous tissue and bone cells that will strengthen the weld of fibrous tissue and bone to stabilize the articulation (where the bone and ligament meet) and permanently eliminate the disability. To the treatment of proliferating new cells, I have applied the name 'Prolotherapy' from the word 'Prolo' (Latin) meaning offspring; 'proliferate' - to produce new cells in rapid succession (Websters Dictionary). My definition of Prolotherapy as applied medically in the treatment of skeletal disability is 'the rehabilitation of an incompetent structure by the generation of new cellular tissue.'"

    Dr. Hackett, after 20 years of experience, arrived at the conclusion that injured ligaments were the primary cause of chronic pain. Injured tendons were the second most common cause. He referred to this weakness in the ligaments and tendons as laxity. Prolotherapy involves the injection of substances that stimulate new tissue growth at the junction between the fibrous tissue (ligaments and tendons) and the bone. Most things break down at a junction site because this is the weakest part of the structure; this is especially true in weight bearing joints. A good example of this is when the leg of a chair is wobbly or loose. This is usually due to a loose connection where the leg attaches to the seat of the chair. By tightening the attachment of the leg to the seat, the chair becomes more stable.

    Dr. Hackett used the word "weld," which is a very accurate description of Prolotherapy. Prolotherapy welds the ligaments and tendons to the bone. When welding steel, the welder is applying a very hot probe or flame to melt two pieces of metal together. Two large pieces of metal would require welding many areas all along the long seam. Why do so many spots need to be welded? The reason is to make a stronger connection. If one area weakens in the future due to wear and tear, the others will hold the structure together.

    This is the concept behind Prolotherapy. All of the injured tissue must be treated for injuries for chronic pain to be eliminated. Prolotherapy causes the proliferation of new ligament and tendon tissue exactly where the injections are given. It is just like spot welding. It strengthens the exact spot where the weld or injection takes place. The more injections, the stronger the weld.

    Are you an ideal candidate for Prolotherapy?

    Prolotherapy stimulates the body to repair the painful area. For the patient who has localized areas of pain or the person who has had a recent injury from an accident, Prolotherapy is a very effective treatment to strengthen those specific areas and eliminate the pain. Realize, however, that Prolotherapy starts the growth of new healthy, strong tissue. Your body--your own immune system--grows the tissue. For the person who has terrible digestion, chronic fatigue, irritable bladder; and a host of other chronic nutritional, hormonal, allergic problems, these deficiencies and illnesses should be corrected so the body will be able to respond to Prolotherapy.

    The ideal Prolotherapy candidate has the following:

    1. Pain originating from a ligament or tendon

    2. Strong immune system

    3. Willingness to improve and receive follow-up visits

    4. Healthy diet

    5. Positive mental outlook

    For Arthritis and Fibromyalgia

    Most people who suffer from arthritis and Fibromyalgia have a portion of their pain or all of their pain from ligament and tendon injury. Most muscle spasms occur because the underlying ligaments are weakened and the muscles spasm to stabilize the joints, as occurs in Fibromyalgia. The same can be said for arthritis except the body is stabilizing the joints in this condition by overgrowing bone. This overgrowth of bone is called arthritis.

    Prolotherapy allows the stabilizing of joints by causing a strengthening of ligaments, thereby eliminating the muscle spasms of Fibromyalgia and the need for the body to overgrow bones occurs in arthritis.

    When Prolotherapy Does Not Work

    The most common reasons why a person may not attain 100 percent improvement with Prolotherapy are the following:

    1. Inadequate (depressed) immune system

    2. Nutritional deficiencies

    3. Hormonal deficiencies

    4. Other factors causing the pain that are not being addressed

    5. Correct area being treated but repair not yet complete

    6. Wrong area being treated

    This last fact is often overlooked. A good example of this relates to patients with lower back pain. All that is typically needed for curing back pain is for the patients to receive Prolotherapy to the lower back at the sacroiliac joints. In a small percentage of the people, the sacroiliac joint remains weakened because the pelvic joint in the front (pubic symphysis) also needs to be treated. The sacroiliac ligaments, in this instance, will only maintain the strength that is attained with Prolotherapy if the pubic symphysis is also treated.
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    Seriously Ogar...go see your doc. Let him scope it. MD's may not know everything, but they know a lot more about your health than a bunch of people who haven't seen you and only interact with you over the internet. You may have to take it easy now, but at least you'll be able to continue later. Be smart about this.

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    Toughest Man in the World Bruise Brubaker's Avatar
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    I have a slight pain in my right knee when I try to raise my leg, with a locked knee, close to 90 degrees to the body. If the knee is very smally slightly bended, there is no pain at all. This does not cause pain in regular training activities (I do not do leg raises).

    I think it began when I once sprinted too hard while not being warmed up enough. The following day I had sore quads without having trained them (except the sprinting) and a small pain in the knees when walking down a declined surface.

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    On Auto Pilot:******* Huge Alke's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by ectx
    Seriously Ogar...go see your doc. Let him scope it. MD's may not know everything, but they know a lot more about your health than a bunch of people who haven't seen you and only interact with you over the internet. You may have to take it easy now, but at least you'll be able to continue later. Be smart about this.

    ultimately this is the best answer.

    in the meantime, use the internet to get as informed as you can about your knee, this way, when you go back to the doctor you will have specific questions for him and the two of you will be on the same page, rather than just going in and saying my knee hurts and makes crunching sounds.
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