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    Summer Concerns

    U.S. Officials Concerned About Summer Security
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    U.S. Officials Concerned About Summer Security

    Tuesday, May 25, 2004

    Counterterrorism and law enforcement officials told Fox News Tuesday that they are extremely concerned that terrorist groups like Al Qaeda (search) may be planning an attack during one of the major events scheduled for this summer.



    The comments came after a think tank study revealed that despite the elimination of several key figures, Al Qaeda still has a functioning leadership, over 18,000 potential terrorists in its global network and a swelling membership thanks to the war in Iraq.

    "There is significant concern," one counterterrorism official told Fox News.

    "There is clearly a steady drumbeat of information that they are going to attack and hit us hard," said another senior federal counterterrorism official, who described the intelligence as highly credible.

    However, officials said the threat level would not be immediately be raised from yellow, or elevated, to orange, or high. The threat level has been at yellow midpoint on the five-color scale since January.

    Los Angeles police held a news conference Tuesday to reassure the public. "We would be foolhardy to ignore those statements, but I think it would be irresponsible to panic," said John Miller, head of the LAPD counterterrorism bureau.

    Attorney General John Ashcroft (search) and FBI Director Robert Mueller (search) plan a news conference Wednesday to outline an intensive effort by law enforcement, intelligence and homeland security officials to detect and disrupt any potential plots. And the FBI plans to dispatch a bulletin to some 18,000 state and local law enforcement agencies warning of the threat.

    The FBI also has already created a special task force that is focused solely on dealing with this summer's threat. The task force, whose existence until recently was classified, is intended to ensure that no valuable bits of information or intelligence fall through the cracks as happened repeatedly before the Sept. 11 attacks.

    Other actions to be taken include new FBI interviews with people who may have provided valuable information in the past and a fresh examination of older investigative leads to determine if they might point to elements of the summer plot.

    Officials said they are concerned about some "high value targets," including the dedication of the World War II memorial planned for May 29 in Washington, D.C., the Olympics and the presidential conventions.

    Counterterrorism officials said the concern is based on recent "source work" including intercepted communications, and the FBI will be working with law enforcement partners and the Joint Terrorism Task Forces to assess information that is coming in.

    "We will be reviewing every lead we've had for the past year to see if taken in today's light it means something different," one counterterrorism official said.

    Officials did not say what kind of attack to expect. However, Retired Lt. Gen. Patrick Hughes (search), the top intelligence official at the Homeland Security Department, warned earlier this month Al Qaeda may be planning to strike the United States with a chemical or biological weapon.

    Anthrax is easy to produce and disperse, Hughes said, noting that the recipes for it and the deadly poison, ricin, are on the Internet.

    "If the past is indeed prologue, then we are going to screw up, or they are going to get lucky," Hughes said. "I can't sleep."

    'Al Qaeda Has Fully Reconstituted'

    The study, released by the International Institute of Strategic Studies (search ), says Al Qaeda poses a growing threat to Western interests and attacks are likely to increase.

    The Strategic Survey 2003-4 says the United States remains the prime target of the group, which is operating in an estimated 60-plus nations around the world. An Al Qaeda leader has said 4 million Americans will have to be killed "as a prerequisite to any Islamic victory."

    "Al Qaeda must be expected to keep trying to develop more promising plans for terrorist operations in North America and Europe, potentially involving weapons of mass destruction," institute director John Chipman (search) told a news conference to launch the annual survey.

    At the same time, it will continue carrying out attacks on "soft targets encompassing Americans, Europeans and Israelis and aiding the insurgency in Iraq," he added.

    Monday the Search for International Terrorist Entities Institute (search) released translated portions of Al Qaeda's Al-Battar manual's kidnapping instructions on its Web site.

    SITE Institute lists in detail the instructions operatives are given for different types of kidnappings, the different stages to go through during an abduction and how to deal with a hostage in a kidnapping situation.

    The Strategic Survey's estimate of 18,000 Al Qaeda fighters was based on intelligence estimates that the organization trained at least 20,000 fighters in its training camps in Afghanistan before the United States and its allies ousted the Taliban regime.

    In the ensuing war on terror, some 2,000 Al Qaeda fighters have been killed or captured, the survey said.

    Iraq has become the new magnet of Al Qaeda's war against the United States and up to 1,000 foreign Islamic fighters have infiltrated Iraqi territory, where they are cooperating with Iraqi forces, the survey said.

    Al Qaeda appears to have successfully reconstituted its operations in dispersed groups and through local allies since being driven out of Afghanistan, the survey said.

    "The Madrid bombings in March 2004 suggested that Al Qaeda had fully reconstituted, set its sights firmly on the U.S. and its closest Western allies in Europe, and established a new and effective modus operandi," the survey said.

    The U.S.-led war in Iraq has increased the risk to Western interests in Arab countries, the survey said.

    The West and its allies must continue to mount a major offensive against Al Qaeda and progress will be incremental, the report said.

    Any security offensive against Al Qaeda must be accompanied with political developments, such as the democratization of Iraq and the resolution of conflict in Israel, it said.

    Progress against Al Qaeda "is likely to accelerate only with currently elusive political developments that would broadly depress recruitment and motivation," the report said.

    Summer Packed With High-Profile Events

    Beginning with Saturday's dedication of the new World War II Memorial in Washington, the summer presents a number of high-profile targets in the United States. They include the G-8 summit in Georgia next month that will attract top officials from some of America's closest allies, the Democratic National Convention in Boston in July and the Republican National Convention in August in New York.

    The FBI and Homeland Security Department also are concerned about so-called soft targets such as shopping malls anywhere in the United States that offer a far less protected environment than a political convention hall.

    U.S. authorities repeatedly have said Al Qaeda is determined to mount an attack on U.S. soil, in part to announce to the world that it remains capable of doing so despite the money and effort that has gone into homeland security in the wake of the Sept. 11 attacks.

    There also is concern terrorists might try to mount an attack to coincide with the November election. The political fallout from the March 11 train bombings (search) in Spain taught Al Qaeda that an attack timed to an election can have a major impact. Spain's former ruling party was ousted in the voting that followed the bombing, which killed 191 and injured more than 2,000.

    The official did not say how many suspected Al Qaeda or other terrorist operatives are believed in the country, whether they made their way into the United States recently or have been here for some time. The FBI has warned in the past that Islamic extremist groups may attempt to recruit non-Middle Easterners or women for attacks because they would be less likely to arouse suspicion.

    Special security attention already is being focused to the nation's rail, subway and bus lines. The FBI last week sent out an intelligence bulletin to law enforcement agencies urging vigilance against suicide bombers, who have been used by terror groups worldwide to devastating effect but not so far in the United States.

    Separately, Immigration and Customs Enforcement chief Michael Garcia told reporters Tuesday that some 2,300 of its agents are being deployed to assist in security for the high-profile events scheduled this summer in the United States. These include as many as 20 agents each day working with the Secret Service to protect the campaigns of President Bush and Sen. John Kerry, the Democratic presidential candidate.

    Garcia said his agency also is working to "tighten the investigative system" to ensure that terrorists do not enter the United States by way of human smuggling operations or through the vast, largely unprotected border with Canada.

    Fox News' Anna Stolley and The Associated Press contributed to this report.


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    You shouldn't have posted that here. If it suggest there may be terrorist, it could be concieved as pro American. What were you thinking. I will probaly never know because not only will this thread be locked it will be deleted so will never see it.

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    No it will be deleted. Locked people could still read it.

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    this is only about the 46th time since 9/11 that there has been some huge concerns. its growing old. funny how they can never say how or where, or when. i think it would be a good thing, one more terrorist attack in the states would lead to the elimination of certain members of society
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    Quote Originally Posted by Berserker
    You shouldn't have posted that here. If it suggest there may be terrorist, it could be concieved as pro American. What were you thinking. I will probaly never know because not only will this thread be locked it will be deleted so will never see it.
    Ok i didnt realize

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    The whole point is terrorism is you don't know who, where, or when.

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    It's sad, but I've gotten used to these warnings. We hear about these threats, nothing happens, and the government still doesn't say why they gave them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleGulp
    It's sad, but I've gotten used to these warnings. We hear about these threats, nothing happens, and the government still doesn't say why they gave them.
    I know that happens and it's crazy.

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    There is nothing wrong with what he posted. It is just news, not a rumor or something. As long as people don't get into a shouting match in this thread and start throwing insults I fail to see why they would lock or delete this thread.

    All that being said, DoubleGulp, the government can't really tell you why they gave a warning. At least, not without tipping the terrorists off to how the government is getting the information. You have to remember that this is an adaptive enemy, whom will only strike when the opportunity presents itself. So, just because nothing happened during the timeframe of the warning doesn't mean there is an all clear. Remember, the alert only drops back to "yellow", which means there is still a significant risk of attack. Unfortunately, this is just one of those issues where you have to trust your government is doing everything it can to protect you.

    The government doesn't have a choice, but to put the warnings out there. If they didn't and, God forbid, something happened everyone would be up in arms blaming the government for not at least warning them that an attack could be taking place. We have already seen an example of this with the 9/11 commission hearings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ogarchamplin
    Ok i didnt realize
    I was just being sarcastic. was in a mood.

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    I guess it's better to be safe than sorry. It's just that the stuf is so vague it's almost like reading a horoscope.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Berserker
    I was just being sarcastic. was in a mood.
    Ok let me just say why i posted this. I knew Hulk dosen't want political or religous threads here. So after reading the article i came to the conclusion that it was neither but rather news that we should all know about. I live five miles from Three Mile Island Nuclear Power Plant. Which if there are some members on here that are old enough to remember had the worst nuclear accident next to Chernobl(sp?). And to top it off they have our airport right beside the darn thing. Now i know that if a Nuke power plant was going to be a target one that had a larger population around would be more of a likley target. None the less anytime this stuff comes up it freaks me out. Heck they had the National Guard protecting it the last time the threat level was up, but then the local paper released a story that the soliders were not allowed to carry any ammo. Now what good does that do? I guess i just get worried because even thou its a small target its well known. My Government Professor went on a tip to Russia and when he would tell people that he was from Harrisburg, Pa they would say OH TMI
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    i think periodically, they HAVE to issue a warning. that way in case something does happen they can say "we warned you!", and avoid the backlash they have gotten about the 9/11 info.
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    (random theory warning)
    plus its propaganda to keep people driving less (less trips to the mall, to vacation, to major events, etc) and gas consumption low to put pressure on OPEC

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    Huh? With all due respect, that doesn't make a whole lot of sense. How is it propaganda in the sense of what you are talking about? It's actually better to keep the demand on oil high to pressure OPEC because then you put the burden of the world economy on their shoulder. If the world economy collaspses because of high energy cost, so will the demand for oil and the price right along with it.

    People focus on OPEC way too much though. Right now they only produce 1/3 of the world's supply.
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    OPEC is the focus for good reason. They have almost all the extra capacity, particularly the Saudis, whereas everyone else is running nearly at full capacity.

    What we need is a higher federal gas tax to solve most of our problems.

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    I have no idea...I had way to much coffee today *LOL* gimme a break mang!
    I'm just looking for some random conspiracy

    how about this:

    propaganda
    n : information that is spread for the purpose of promoting some cause

    the cause being to lower consumer demand for gasoline in the US (largest consumer of petroleum products) with the underly intent to spur more national petroleum awareness and bolster the voting power/government expenditure for research on non petroleum based fuels which in turn could boost the US defecit (less money going out) and if something ingenious is devised could bring a bunch-o cashola into the US (granted this is a huge stretch, I'm just amusing myself by going on *LOL*)

    Lowering consumption would also give time for Opec and other petroleum companies to find more reserves which is what drives the price...

    Opec is about 40% of the world supply and they possess 80% of the oil reserves, thats enough for them to have PLENTY of focus
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    Quote Originally Posted by Berserker
    You shouldn't have posted that here. If it suggest there may be terrorist, it could be concieved as pro American. What were you thinking. I will probaly never know because not only will this thread be locked it will be deleted so will never see it.
    I'm not pro or anti-american. But I am pro-STFU, so beserker you may want to think about that. You've posted similar assinine statements in other threads and I warned you in one of them, so tread lightly.


    As for the topic at hand, it seems that terror is winning in this war against terrorism. The whole point of terrorism is to keep a state paranoid and in fear to the point where they cannot live their lives in the same manner as they had. I'm not saying extra security isn't a good thing, but also, when you hear about all the potential disasters that could happen day in and day out, all it is is feeding the terrorist machine. Pretty soon people will be afraid to leave their homes for any reason from all these warnings. I'm not sure what the right course of action would be though, but I think when you change your life so drastically then it is a major victory for terrorists.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ElPietro
    I'm not pro or anti-american. But I am pro-STFU, so beserker you may want to think about that. You've posted similar assinine statements in other threads and I warned you in one of them, so tread lightly.


    As for the topic at hand, it seems that terror is winning in this war against terrorism. The whole point of terrorism is to keep a state paranoid and in fear to the point where they cannot live their lives in the same manner as they had. I'm not saying extra security isn't a good thing, but also, when you hear about all the potential disasters that could happen day in and day out, all it is is feeding the terrorist machine. Pretty soon people will be afraid to leave their homes for any reason from all these warnings. I'm not sure what the right course of action would be though, but I think when you change your life so drastically then it is a major victory for terrorists.
    1-Berserker said he was being sarcastic which should have tipped me off because i have never thought of this board as Anti-American. Thisboard has memebers from all over and i feel that the mods for the most part has let each place represent their countries viwes unless in turned into a political flame war.

    2-Great point about them wininng by being afraid. I will admit the July 4th after 9-11 instead of staying in Harrisburg with my family and enjoying the fireworks i made us go to my inlaws way up in the mountains for a very sucky 4th of July. Of course the terrorists did not do anything but in a way they did win because our holiday was runied with fear. I have always thought that to me the fear of another big attack is not as bad as if they started doing these suicide bombings at malls and resturants where we would be scared to go to these places. Remember the DC Sniper? there were people paying people to put gas in their car

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    WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The U.S. government Wednesday plans to re-release photographs of seven people being sought for questioning in connection with terrorism investigations, federal law enforcement sources told CNN.

    Among the seven are suspected al Qaeda operatives Adnan G. El Shukrijumah and Aafia Siddiqui, two law enforcement sources said.

    The photos will be released as part of "be on the lookout" (BOLO) alerts, sent to law enforcement agencies across the country and around the world. They will be presented by FBI Director Robert Mueller and Attorney General John Ashcroft at a 2 p.m. ET news conference, law enforcement sources said.

    All seven have been named previously by government officials, and their pictures have been on the FBI's Web site, the sources said.

    The alerts name people being sought for questioning -- not necessarily suspected of plotting attacks. They include descriptions and basic biographical information along with the photographs.

    Federal law enforcement sources said there is no hard evidence indicating they are in the United States.

    Government sources have said in the past that El Shukrijumah, born in Saudi Arabia, is believed to be a citizen of Yemen. He has family in Guyana and is believed to have a passport from that nation, the sources said. He uses several aliases and may also have other passports, they said.

    The sources described him as a field organizer and strategic planner for al Qaeda.

    They also said he spent time in Florida.

    El Shukrijumah and Siddiqui were among those named by captured al Qaeda leader Khalid Shaikh Mohammed as al Qaeda operatives, government sources said.

    The move comes a day after several U.S. officials said there is increasing concern about the possibility of a major terrorist attack on U.S. soil -- possibly as early as this summer.

    A recent compilation of intelligence reports has led to fears that terror attacks might take place before the November presidential election in an attempt to affect the outcome.

    A senior Pentagon official said the report compiles the latest information, generally gathered over the last four months, on domestic threats, what they call "chatter," information about Al Qaeda operatives inside the United States and indications that terrorists continue to try to enter the United States from Canada or Mexico, he said.

    But Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge said Wednesday that he did not plan to raise the national terror alert level.

    "There is nothing specific enough or -- that rises to the level where we would presently today ... make a recommendation to the president to raise the threat level," Ridge said. "What I think it's important for America to know is we don't need to raise the threat level in order to continue to work every day to improve security."

    The terror threat level is currently at yellow, or elevated.

    For weeks, security officials have expressed concern about several upcoming high-profile events, including Saturday's dedication of the World War II Memorial on the National Mall in Washington.

    Other events where security will be high are the G8 economic summit on Sea Island, Georgia, in the United States; Fourth of July celebrations; the Democratic and Republican conventions in Boston and New York, respectively, and the Olympic Games in Greece.

    Although no specific target, time or date for the possible attack is known, the information is the culmination of intelligence that has been gathered over four months -- and it is the assessment that is new, the sources said.

    New York Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly said his department had received "highly sensitive intelligence" as recently as Tuesday, and there was "nothing in that reporting to indicate a specific threat or looming attack against New York City.

    "Nor have we been advised that terrorists are known to be in the United States actively plotting such an attack," Kelly said in a statement.

    The Los Angeles and Boston police departments made similar comments.

    The FBI is expected to give guidance to its 18,000 state and local law enforcement partners in the regular weekly FBI bulletin Wednesday.

    Officials said security will be unprecedented for the World War II Memorial dedication Saturday. More than 140,000 people, many of them elderly, are expected for the event. (Full story)

    More than 35 federal, state and local agencies have been involved in planning for the event for a year. Some 1,000 law enforcement officers are expected to be on hand in addition to special support and response teams.

    Following the March 11 train bombings in Madrid, Spain, security officials have expressed concern that so-called "soft targets" such as passenger and freight trains could be vulnerable to attack in the United States.

    Ridge announced initiatives to improve train and subway security shortly after the bombings.

    CNN's Kelli Arena, Jeanne Meserve, Barbara Starr,Terry Frieden and Kevin Bohn contributed to this report.
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    John Ashcroft is doing a live telecast right night.

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    I've sayd this before. Terrorism works. They may not be doing the morally right thing, but they're not being stupid.

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    Ummm terrorism is right? I would like to here the reasoning behind that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Riggs
    Ummm terrorism is right? I would like to here the reasoning behind that.
    He said it works, not that it was morally right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Berserker
    You shouldn't have posted that here. If it suggest there may be terrorist, it could be concieved as pro American. What were you thinking. I will probaly never know because not only will this thread be locked it will be deleted so will never see it.
    The only reason threads like this are closed are because of annoying, non-productive comments like these.

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