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The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness

Itís no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

By: Nick Tumminello Added: January 6th, 2014
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    Attn: All Canadians.

    The election is coming up in about 3 days.

    Who are you voting for?

    Why?

    I've actually been loooking through the green party's site, and I'm coming to like some of the things they have to say.

    NDP is another option for me, although I don't know too much about them.

    I will definately not be voting for conservative to two principle reasons

    1) Harper wants to give Canadians a big tax break, but he hasn't mentioned where he's going to make his cutbacks in order to fufill this obligation. Conservatives have put Canada in huge debt in previous years when they were in government.

    2) He wants to increase military spending.

    Your thoughts?
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    "It is often said, mainly by the "no-contests", that although there is no positive evidence for the existence of God, nor is there evidence against his existence. So it is best to keep an open mind and be agnostic. At first sight that seems an unassailable position, at least in the weak sense of Pascal's wager. But on second thought it seems a cop-out, because the same could be said of Father Christmas and tooth fairies. There may be fairies at the bottom of the garden. There is no evidence for it, but you can't prove that there aren't any, so shouldn't we be agnostic with respect to fairies?"

    Richard Dawkins


    "Out of all of the sects in the world, we notice an uncanny coincidence: the overwhelming majority just happen to choose the one that their parents belong to. Not the sect that has the best evidence in its favour, the best miracles, the best moral code, the best cathedral, the best stained glass, the best music: when it comes to choosing from the smorgasbord of available religions, their potential virtues seem to count for nothing, compared to the matter of heredity. This is an unmistakable fact; nobody could seriously deny it. Yet people with full knowledge of the arbitrary nature of this heredity, somehow manage to go on believing in their religion, often with such fanaticism that they are prepared to murder people who follow a different one."


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    nice thread!

    It's a tough call.

    I'm leaning towards the Liberals.

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    I would't mind liberal myself, but I think it's time for a change. The ad scandal isn't going to help get them votes, but it seems like they are still neck and neck with the conservatives so far.
    "It is often said, mainly by the "no-contests", that although there is no positive evidence for the existence of God, nor is there evidence against his existence. So it is best to keep an open mind and be agnostic. At first sight that seems an unassailable position, at least in the weak sense of Pascal's wager. But on second thought it seems a cop-out, because the same could be said of Father Christmas and tooth fairies. There may be fairies at the bottom of the garden. There is no evidence for it, but you can't prove that there aren't any, so shouldn't we be agnostic with respect to fairies?"

    Richard Dawkins


    "Out of all of the sects in the world, we notice an uncanny coincidence: the overwhelming majority just happen to choose the one that their parents belong to. Not the sect that has the best evidence in its favour, the best miracles, the best moral code, the best cathedral, the best stained glass, the best music: when it comes to choosing from the smorgasbord of available religions, their potential virtues seem to count for nothing, compared to the matter of heredity. This is an unmistakable fact; nobody could seriously deny it. Yet people with full knowledge of the arbitrary nature of this heredity, somehow manage to go on believing in their religion, often with such fanaticism that they are prepared to murder people who follow a different one."


    Richard Dawkins


    "Bah. You know I hate poor people."

    Paul Stagg

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    Harper is not an alternative, imo.

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    Liberal. Don't waste your vote by voting PC or C now.

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    Liberals, I was leaning towards Harper; but his military plans scare me, so I'm leaning towards the Libs.

    NDP sucks, from my experience when they dominated BC.
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    Liberals until someone take their head out of their ass... I can't even believe people support Harper...
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    I agree.

    I'd vote NDP anyday before i voted for someone who is against abortion and gay marriages and wants to spend way more money on military.
    Although lower taxes would be nice.

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    Stop listening to the B.S. attack ads people. The Conservatives are not against abortion, are not anti-gay and are committed to supporting our militiary. The abortion law was struck down by the Supreme Court of Canada. There are no laws against abortion in Canada, it is treated like any other medical procedure. Stephen Harper has stated quite clearly that he has absolutely no intention of introducing legislation to ban abortion. It is something that is not in his power to do. The courts have ruled, the government cannot change it.

    As far as being anti-gay you are again confused. Harper supports a free vote on the definition of marriage in the house of commons. That means that each elected official will be allowed to vote freely and not have to toe the party line (Something the Liberals are famous for). He personally feels that a marriage is between an man and woman and should remain that way. However, he will allow an open vote to decide the issue and not dictate like the Liberal party.

    As far as military spending goes it is far overdue. Our troops risk life and limb every time they climb into those antiquated Sea King Helicopters. The require 40 hours of repair time for every hour of flying. They are old and dangerous. Our troops deserve better. Chretien cancelled the contract for there replacement 15 years ago at a cost of 500 million dollars to taxpayers in cancellation fees just to spite the conservatives. Guess what? Our boys (and girls) are still flying around in those death traps today.

    Our military is poorly funded and under supplied. Wake up and look at the world around us. It is a dangerous time we live in. Do you honestly think Al Queda gives a rat's ass wether you are Canadian or American? They hate all westerners. We are not an exception and are in just as much danger as our neighbours. Canada has a strong and proud military tradition that is slowly slipping away.

    By the way, Paul Martin's Liberals announced almost identical plans for the military. Dig through the propoganda to get to the truth people. Negative slanderous advertising full of half truths should not be your sole source of information. Dig around and make an informed decision.

    The Liberals have been gorging at the taxpayers trough for far too long. Put an end to it now. Vote for Harper and make a change. Vote for Harris even. (please, please, please, please don't vote for Layton)

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    This is exactly what I mean when I say DON"T vote for Harper... It seems it is you that is listening to some of the propaganda... Harper if elected DOES have the power to introduce legislation to ban abortions. That is if he wanted to... Silly laws are not going to stop him. Case in point he is going to use the not withstanding clause to nullify the Supreme courts ruling on gay marriages... (that is pending the "open" vote).

    I'm all for spending more on the Military but where is the money going to come from??? From our tax break? Maybe...
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    Quote Originally Posted by meltedtime
    Stop listening to the B.S. attack ads people. The Conservatives are not against abortion, are not anti-gay and are committed to supporting our militiary. The abortion law was struck down by the Supreme Court of Canada. There are no laws against abortion in Canada, it is treated like any other medical procedure. Stephen Harper has stated quite clearly that he has absolutely no intention of introducing legislation to ban abortion. It is something that is not in his power to do. The courts have ruled, the government cannot change it.

    As far as being anti-gay you are again confused. Harper supports a free vote on the definition of marriage in the house of commons. That means that each elected official will be allowed to vote freely and not have to toe the party line (Something the Liberals are famous for). He personally feels that a marriage is between an man and woman and should remain that way. However, he will allow an open vote to decide the issue and not dictate like the Liberal party.

    As far as military spending goes it is far overdue. Our troops risk life and limb every time they climb into those antiquated Sea King Helicopters. The require 40 hours of repair time for every hour of flying. They are old and dangerous. Our troops deserve better. Chretien cancelled the contract for there replacement 15 years ago at a cost of 500 million dollars to taxpayers in cancellation fees just to spite the conservatives. Guess what? Our boys (and girls) are still flying around in those death traps today.

    Our military is poorly funded and under supplied. Wake up and look at the world around us. It is a dangerous time we live in. Do you honestly think Al Queda gives a rat's ass wether you are Canadian or American? They hate all westerners. We are not an exception and are in just as much danger as our neighbours. Canada has a strong and proud military tradition that is slowly slipping away.

    By the way, Paul Martin's Liberals announced almost identical plans for the military. Dig through the propoganda to get to the truth people. Negative slanderous advertising full of half truths should not be your sole source of information. Dig around and make an informed decision.

    The Liberals have been gorging at the taxpayers trough for far too long. Put an end to it now. Vote for Harper and make a change. Vote for Harris even. (please, please, please, please don't vote for Layton)

    melt

    Medlted, I admire your passion.

    Among other things, I did not contend Harper was "anti-gay", I simply said he isn't in favour of gay marriages. A view I feel is archaic, at best.

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    Gone Postal did you even see the leaders debate? He said the only time he would use the not withstanding clause would be with child pornography. Our laws on that issue our so slack its embarassing.

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    I will admit the Harper's party has some issues that make some people skeptical. They are a new party made up of the remnants of one old and one fairly new. Unfortunately, some of the former Reform party members are from the religious right. I find them to be as scary as the bleeding hearts of the NDP. The personal opinions of politicians can play a factor in a partys mandate. However, this is not always the case. Paul Martin calls himself a devout Catholic. If this were the case he MUST be against abortion. He has no choice in the matter. The Catholic Church dictates how he must think in order to be Catholic. And yet his party supports a womans right to an abortion. As far as the CA's thoughts on mandatory councilling for those seeking an abortion, it is a thought shared by many and even Paul Martin has said "it is not a bad idea."

    The Liberal Party of Canada has been throwing around our hard earned money for years, wasting billions of dollars. The HRDC boondoggle (1 billion), the gun registry(approaching 2 billion), Adscam(100 million), Adreinne Clarksons little trip with 59 VIP's on a circumpolar junket(5.9 million), cancellation of the EH101 Helicopters (500 million, interestingly, on the Liberal friendly CBC website it pegs the cost at hundreds of thousands, hmmmmm) are but a few examples of Liberal waste and inefficiency. There is not a Liberal party member out there that has ever had a tax dollar not worth spending.

    On top of all this Paul Martin is a thief. Did you know that he "moved" his Canadian shipping company offshore and registered it in Liberia to save paying taxes and allowing him to fire his crews and pay lower wages sans benefits. As the Prime Minister of this country does that not make you sick? He may have done this legally but there is a major moral question involved here. Is this the type of man you want running our country?

    Damn. Politics and religion. They get me fired up.

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    I know Martin is a thief, but quite frankly his party is the best choice.

    Like I always say, the Conservative/the former Reform party, is the party for the angry white man.

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    Nobody's going to vote green?

    Hell, I'm probably going to vote for them.
    "It is often said, mainly by the "no-contests", that although there is no positive evidence for the existence of God, nor is there evidence against his existence. So it is best to keep an open mind and be agnostic. At first sight that seems an unassailable position, at least in the weak sense of Pascal's wager. But on second thought it seems a cop-out, because the same could be said of Father Christmas and tooth fairies. There may be fairies at the bottom of the garden. There is no evidence for it, but you can't prove that there aren't any, so shouldn't we be agnostic with respect to fairies?"

    Richard Dawkins


    "Out of all of the sects in the world, we notice an uncanny coincidence: the overwhelming majority just happen to choose the one that their parents belong to. Not the sect that has the best evidence in its favour, the best miracles, the best moral code, the best cathedral, the best stained glass, the best music: when it comes to choosing from the smorgasbord of available religions, their potential virtues seem to count for nothing, compared to the matter of heredity. This is an unmistakable fact; nobody could seriously deny it. Yet people with full knowledge of the arbitrary nature of this heredity, somehow manage to go on believing in their religion, often with such fanaticism that they are prepared to murder people who follow a different one."


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    I gotta look into the party more.

    I don't know what they stand for.

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    The Green party are conservatives with a very large dose of environmentalism mixed in. The two make strange bedfellows. I wish it could work. Jim Harris has some interesting ideas. Too bad they have almost no chance of winnig a seat. Although they are expected to garner almost a million votes.

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    At this point, I'd vote Liberal if I was of voting age - just to keep Harper out...although, if Harper didn't have a chance in hell...entirely different story - but, I don't want to stir things up too much. Hehe.
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    Well, I am close to being sure that I will vote liberal. I still have a few hours to decide.

    Nothing will screw up our economy worse than an NDP government in my opinion. Harper I think is a bit on the loony side, and I haven't seen anything promising so far. Martin I at least know roughly what I'm getting, and with the current provincial government where I live also being liberal, the best I can hope is a federal government that can work somewhat civilly with it's provincial affiliate. What I expect is a liberal minority, as many angry votes will go to the conservatives. Ontario is the biggest voting population in the country, and Stalin..*ahem* McGuinty has not won any support, even though he really has little to do with Martin. I would rather have a majority government, where they can at least get something done, instead of being limited by a minority victory.

    Also, doesn't the Conservative party have ties with the Bloc? Last thing I want is the Bloc to have any further influence whatsoever within this country. That alone is nearly enough to sway my vote.

    If there was any group that I could consider to be fiscally responsible, I'd vote for them, but since there isn't, I'll vote for the least psycho, that being the liberals as far as I can tell.
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    If you are unsure, you can always vote for the Communist party, LOL.

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    Lol, well the provincial liberals come pretty damned close.

    Although, I do recognize that there is a distinction between provincial and federal governments. I fear others don't and that's why many votes will be cast for the Conservative and NDP. People here are judging Martin based on the performance of McGuinty.

    Things would be easier if there was a non-crook to vote for, but that breed has been long extinct from politics. Can I vote in Trudeau posthumously?
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    Deep Thoughts by Jack Handey:

    I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it.

    Is there anything more beautiful than a beautiful, beautiful flamingo, flying across in front of a beautiful sunset? And he's carrying a beautiful rose in his beak, and also he's carrying a very beautiful painting with his feet. And also, you're drunk.

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    ***does the piroette (sp?)

    For those who know Trudeau well, will understand what I'm talking about.
    Last edited by CanadianHomer; 06-28-2004 at 01:56 PM.
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    Trudeau? Biggest crook in Canadian political history. Robbed tax payers blind. Helped to create our current socialistic state. I don't have the patience to sum up all the crap about Trudeau. Read this, it is a good summary:Trudeau

    Burns my ass when I hear people go on about how "fantastic" Trudeau was. Burns my ass even more that I linked to an article by Eric Margolis. I NEVER agree with that guy. Damn.


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    Damn again. Liberal Minority.
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    it's oddly comforting to know that my fellow Canadians are just as misinformed and apt to form illogical and erroneous opinions as the Americans we so often mock.

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    Statements like that should have some form of explanation behind them don't you think?
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    Deep Thoughts by Jack Handey:

    I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it.

    Is there anything more beautiful than a beautiful, beautiful flamingo, flying across in front of a beautiful sunset? And he's carrying a beautiful rose in his beak, and also he's carrying a very beautiful painting with his feet. And also, you're drunk.

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