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    i would hope it is dedicated to them, since he is capitalizing on all of their deaths.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AdamGberg
    i don't like to see one sided political films...i didn't see passion of the christ either...

    maybe a fair balanced film would interest me more...
    How can you compare one-sided political ranting and a work of fiction?

    A documentary and a fable. Big difference.

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    i would hope it is dedicated to them, since he is capitalizing on all of their deaths.
    That's one interpretation. I wouldn't say it's necessarily an accurate interpretation, however.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrWebb78
    i would hope it is dedicated to them, since he is capitalizing on all of their deaths.
    I'd be interested to see how much profit Moore keeps for himself, and how much he donates to charitable causes, if any. Anyone have any info? I've heard he donates as much as half of it all to charities, if not more...
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    I'd very much like to see this movie, however, I won't give the man any money - after finally seeing Bowling for Columbine, it's clear that his movies are no more a "documentary" than "Triumph des Willens".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gyno Rhino
    I'd very much like to see this movie, however, I won't give the man any money - after finally seeing Bowling for Columbine, it's clear that his movies are no more a "documentary" than "Triumph des Willens".
    Exactly. Documentary my ass.
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    And before anyone chimes in with "his films ARE a documentary", go to www.dictionary.com and look up documentary and then propaganda. You'll see that his films fall much closer to the second word.

    And I have NO problem with that - except that he won't admit it. He won't admit that BfC is incredibly biased towards one side, in fact misrepresenting the opposing viewpoint with half-truths and flat out lies.

    Since I haven't yet seen F9/11, I can't make an accurate assessment of exactly what this film is - but based on previous work, it doesn't hold much promise as far as a beacon of learning.
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    It's been interesting to see how the media's been reacting to this film. My semi-liberal newspaper raved about it and gave it an A- (a rare occurrance), but fox news and bill o'reilly have bashed it, calling it nothing but lies that have been proven false. I have to see something that can inspire this turmoil after being out for only a few days. I believe Moore referred to it as an op-ed piece.

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    I just got back from the movie. It was very intersting. I wondered how the whole subject would be handled. He has his agenda but many of the facts are put out there for you to think about. I knew the Bush family and investments had ties to the Saudi royals but didn't know how far back the ties ran. The footage of the (mostly) African American voting districts that had been shut out of the election was amazing. They are speaking on the floor of the senate but didn't have a senator to sign off on the complaint so these groups couldn't form an official objection. I had no idea that had happened. Our news media had the same access and elected to omit this from public attention. I am so glad I saw the film. Interviews with our soilders over seas was also compelling. I know some will write this off as a liberal movie, but I didn't see it as liberal as much as just another viewpoint period. I didn't think Michael Moore was anti american at all...perhaps on the contrary and to the extreme. The makeup of the particular audience was interesting. I'd say the average age was 40 and people really talked outside after the show. You just don't see that very often.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brawl
    Did anyone read his interview in Playboy? he was talking about how we are morons since we cant catch Bin Laden .

    He said he would have the Israelis find him .
    That statement alone shows how stupid he is . The whole middle east would be at war and us in the middle of it if we sent in the Israelis ... what a buffoon .
    Wow, some people really do read Playboy for the articles, lol.

    I don't know, I didn't read the article, but I'll assume he meant using the Israeli intelligence services, which is one of the best in the world. The Israelis know how to operate in the region without getting caught. That's not to say that they could find Osama any better than we could. The man is holed up in the mountains and unless someone rats him out or we just happen to stumble upon him, I don't think we will have much chance of finding him.

    Quote Originally Posted by StevenEric
    I saw Michael Moore on The CBS morning show yesterday. The gal interviewing him looked like a fool getting all upset when he mentioned the news people have a responsibility to uncover the truth. If I was the program director, I would have her interviewing the BBQ blurb from now on. Plan to see his movie today
    I saw that interview as well. That was Hannah Storm, remember she used to be a sportscaster for NBC. She was obviously offended by his comments and totally let the interview get out of hand. CBS' morning show is not all that great to begin with though.


    I agree that this movie shouldn't be called a documentary. It is obvious propaganda. I will go see it though. I like to hear both sides of an argument and then make up my own mind.

    Oh, the movie made $8 million on it's first day alone! So far it is the top movie of the weekend, it's beating "White Chicks" even though it in less that 1/3 of the theaters.
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    Ugh... I thought this guy's heart exploded months ago. It makes me sick how he tries to decieve everyone by wearing his scruffy "average joe" clothes while in reality, he's part of the rich social elite he always "attacks" in his movies. Just die already.
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    about to leave in a few minutes to see it, so can't really post opinion as of yet. yes, he does make propaganda films. i still got a kick out of bowling for columbine, even though i am in the process of getting a concealed weapons permit. as some of you feel, it is good to consider the other side's viewpoint, even though you think it's wrong. well i can't post too much yet, but i'll prolly be around later tonight w/ some comments. the thing is, as far as i know he only puts facts into his movies are real. so even though he's only presenting one side, you know that it's all real (though i think someone posted that he showed lies, please clarify. i have read it is all fact, and would really like to know what the lies are). oh, not sure if ya'll know but these guys wrote a rebuttal to his movie called 'michael moore is a big fat something something (can't remember full title)' and are supposedly putting out a rebuttal movie in the relatively near future ( i believe they want it out before elections, as that's a pretty important time), called 'michael moore hates america'. i think it's good they're putting out a rebuttal, as this movie will sway people who are on the fence. not everyone, but you're ignorant to think this won't have some impact on the elections. i for one am on the fence, but haven't registered to vote so its impact really doesn't matter on me

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    He may put out factual evidence, but he does it without giving the whole story behind much of it. You can make any big political catastrophe seem like it was known about in advance by throwing out bits and pieces of the whole story. An example may be that when Bush was reading the book to the kids, he was told of the planes crashing and figured that it was a small accident. He didn't want to leave the kids who were enjoying his time there or cause them to worry and so he finished what he was there for ... at which point he found out the whole story (I'm not positive that this was the case but it seems very plausible). Given just the fact that Bush read for 7 more minutes before doing anything after he "knew" what was going on is just not enough of the story to make a very accurate assumption on what was going on. I'm sorry but I'm just not going to be convinced that 9/11 was known about in advance.

    Also, about a year or so ago wasn't Michael Moore the guy that was fired from .. CBS(?) for having disgustingly anti-American sentiment? Wasn't he the guy that said something about it being great if our soldiers were the ones that got killed or something like that? I know some left-wing "leader" did, and I think it was Michael Moore.

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    just got back. some parts were interesting, but largely misleading. sin that was a good article, nice to read that after watching it

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    Bush haters will become bigger Bush-haters, Bush-lovers will become bigger Bush-lovers, and the swing voters will likely realize that a good chunk of it is garbage (i.e. the Bin Laden family segment), so I doubt it will have any real effect.

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    I saw some stupid bitch in the subway yesterday with a poster sign that said Michael Moore for prime Minster. I wanted to go over to her and smack her in the head. He is worse then a politician. He can tell his bias BS on film and get people to pay to see it. With that being said, I still want to see the film. He likes to edit the crap out of stuff to make it look like something it isn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TBone4Eva
    I agree that this movie shouldn't be called a documentary. It is obvious propaganda. I will go see it though. I like to hear both sides of an argument and then make up my own mind.
    Thank you.

    That's all I really am asking for.

    That people see it, for the express purpose of being more informed.

    As for my own views, well to be fair, Mr. Moore presents a story that seems a bit far-fetched...and there really isn't a smoking gun per se, that we can use as a good indicator of this administration's true intentions. There isn't anything as tangible as the Nixon tapes; there is no Saturday night massacre; there was no Watergate break-in.

    On the other hand, I won't deny that I got my jollies from seeing George W. "watch this drive" Bush and his cabinet cronies skewered for two hours on the silver screen.

    Mr. Moore says that Democrats do not escape the lens in this film, and that when they return to power, they will return to the front of his lens.

    I look forward to the sequel.

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    I was against the invasion of Iraq before we went in
    and continue to be so. But Moore is just an opportunist-
    provocateur, and much of what he presents is so out of
    context or distorted, it is misleading to say the least.

    His level of political discourse does not help our country.

    Why should I support him financially?

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    Quote Originally Posted by -sin-
    http://slate.msn.com/id/2102723/

    I would rather not waste $8 and 2 hours of my life.
    Good read.

    Last time I checked a "documentary" is based on facts. Moore is a political anti-American propaganda machine, he must be friends with the devil Osama. Yet he has the freedom to put this crap out while making money, ungrateful fool. He better not cry when he gets f***ed the hell up while walking into Starbuck.
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    How come if you diasgree with the politics of an Administration that makes you "Anti-American". Simply being on the extreme end of the political spectrum does not make you anti-american. You are anti-american if you are against the values that our country stands for, namely freedom and the right to pursue happiness or the people themselves. The term Anti-American is thrown around too easily these days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TBone4Eva
    How come if you diasgree with the politics of an Administration that makes you "Anti-American". Simply being on the extreme end of the political spectrum does not make you anti-american. You are anti-american if you are against the values that our country stands for, namely freedom and the right to pursue happiness or the people themselves. The term Anti-American is thrown around too easily these days.
    I'll agree with this statement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bizatch
    He may put out factual evidence, but he does it without giving the whole story behind much of it. You can make any big political catastrophe seem like it was known about in advance by throwing out bits and pieces of the whole story. An example may be that when Bush was reading the book to the kids, he was told of the planes crashing and figured that it was a small accident. He didn't want to leave the kids who were enjoying his time there or cause them to worry and so he finished what he was there for ... at which point he found out the whole story (I'm not positive that this was the case but it seems very plausible). Given just the fact that Bush read for 7 more minutes before doing anything after he "knew" what was going on is just not enough of the story to make a very accurate assumption on what was going on. I'm sorry but I'm just not going to be convinced that 9/11 was known about in advance.

    Also, about a year or so ago wasn't Michael Moore the guy that was fired from .. CBS(?) for having disgustingly anti-American sentiment? Wasn't he the guy that said something about it being great if our soldiers were the ones that got killed or something like that? I know some left-wing "leader" did, and I think it was Michael Moore.
    Are you thinking of Bill M. of Politically Incorrect? I believe what he had said on that show was taken out of context following the program. He was playing a devils advocate role to get his guests to react. Mr Bush was told of the second plane while sitting witht the kids I believe. Someone also mentioned in another post about the Binladin family info was not accurate. I believe the facts present themselves as very accurate. The passenger manifest and flight times out of the country are actual documents.
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    I'm chuckling with glee. This is the first time I've felt good about Kerry's chances in November.

    Why? Because right now, the race is clearly Bush vs Moore. Perfect. The entire right wing machine is working its ass off yelling about Moore and has forgotten that he isn't running for anything.

    When our opponents resort to calling us anti-American, comparing us to Hitler, and telling our senators to go "f*ck" themselves, it's all a pretty clear indication that they're losing it. Weeeeeee! Let the muckracking continue!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MixmasterNash
    I'm chuckling with glee. This is the first time I've felt good about Kerry's chances in November.

    Why? Because right now, the race is clearly Bush vs Moore. Perfect. The entire right wing machine is working its ass off yelling about Moore and has forgotten that he isn't running for anything.

    When our opponents resort to calling us anti-American, comparing us to Hitler, and telling our senators to go "f*ck" themselves, it's all a pretty clear indication that they're losing it. Weeeeeee! Let the muckracking continue!
    *laugh* Unfortunately, you're right.

    Kerry may win the election by sitting on his hands and stapling his mouth shut. Notice that he hasn't said ANYTHING in the last month or so. He knows that Bush is pretty much self destructing.

    As much as I'd like Bush removed, I really don't think that Kerry will be ANY better - possibly even worse.
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