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It’s no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

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    Kerry is saying stuff, just not to the nation as a whole. He is in the swing states where this election is going to be won. This country is highly polarized and the people who would vote for Bush back in January will probably still vote for him in November and vice versa. This election is going to be won based on the independents and their ability to look at both sides and come to a conclusion.
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    The half-million citizens of the District of Columbia, like citizens of the fifty states, bear all of the obligations of American citizenship: they are required to obey the laws passed by Congress; they pay federal taxes; they serve in the military; and they fight and die in our wars. Yet they lack the most basic right that should accompany American citizenship—the right to full voting representation in Congress. This makes the United States the only nation in the world with a representative, democratic constitution that denies citizens of its capital representation in the national legislature. In fact, no fewer than 183 nations provide their citizens the type of representation citizens of Washington, DC are denied.

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    It wasn't Bill. I know what you're talking about, and that wasn't what I meant. I'm almost positive that it was Michael Moore who said some incredibly anti-American statement while over in Iraq I believe. I thought for sure he said something similar to, "hopefully all of our troops get destroyed" or something to that effect.

    I don't think he's anti-American because he criticizes the president, but rather because he really is anti-American, just as I feel a fair percentage of liberals in this country are.

    Also, I agree why the Rhino. Both candidates are horrible. Ultra-****** vs far left Kerry. It reminds me of the Simpsons episode where aliens capture Clinton/Dole and eventually reveal themselves as aliens and say, "What are you going to do... vote for a 3rd party?! HAHAHAHA!!"
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    Anti-American in what way?! Cause I believe myself to be a moderate lib and I would take STRONG offense to be called an Anti-American simply because I didn't like the direction my country was heading. To me being called Anti-American is almost no different than being accused of treason. Yeah, it's that serious. The term is used WAY too loosely and that is in part because of the media. Back in the day, if you called someone an Anti-American, you damn well better have been ready to get your ass kicked and that's how I feel about the term.

    Now, if I went overseas and called the American people stupid and dogged just about everything America stands for then I could see someone calling me an Anti-American.
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    The half-million citizens of the District of Columbia, like citizens of the fifty states, bear all of the obligations of American citizenship: they are required to obey the laws passed by Congress; they pay federal taxes; they serve in the military; and they fight and die in our wars. Yet they lack the most basic right that should accompany American citizenship—the right to full voting representation in Congress. This makes the United States the only nation in the world with a representative, democratic constitution that denies citizens of its capital representation in the national legislature. In fact, no fewer than 183 nations provide their citizens the type of representation citizens of Washington, DC are denied.

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    These things come and go in cycles.

    Terms such as "anti-American" were bandied about A LOT back in the day....in the 1950s. Remember Senator Joe McCarthy? Yeah, most of us weren't alive back then, but it's not like we can't google it.

    Pfft. Anti-American is Osama bin Laden. Anti-American is the Taliban. Anti-American is Al Qaeda. Michael Moore may be a an opportunistic **** to some of you but that does not make him "anti-American". Those of you who would go to such great lengths to equate him as such is a stretch so as to be almost laughable.

    What next, is Mr. Moore a stark raving commie bastard? He's liberal, so he must be!

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    Michael Moore isn't anti-American, just like his movie on Bowling for Columbine doesn't make him anti-gun. He just likes to point out stupid decisions and people and inflate the situation to wake them up. He wasn't a fan of the war or Bush's reasoning to keep sending troops there, so he mocks him.
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    Moore made the film to create controversy. Controversial films make money and that is what Moore is all about. The fact that the film was held up in distribution made it even more popular. He is laughing all the way to the bank.

    I agree, the film will basically polarize America. The Bush supporters will see the propaganda and total one sidedness of the film and still vote for him. The anti-Bush crowd will always be and this film, although not objective by any stretch, just bolsters their agenda.
    Just one guy's opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shao-LiN
    Michael Moore isn't anti-American, just like his movie on Bowling for Columbine doesn't make him anti-gun.
    Now, wait, this is wrong.

    The term "Anti-American" points at someone who goes against the very principles of America. Moore is NOT that person. Moore believes in free speech and questioning the government - both of which are VERY American.

    Now an "anti-gun" person believes firmly in gun control and that guns serve no good purpose in the hands of the people. Moore DOES believe that. "Bowling for Columbine" is simply bull**** - all of it.
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    Michael Moore is not an opportunistic ****. He came from a city, Flynt, Michigan, that was decimated by corporate greed. Watch Roger and Me and you will get a very good idea of where Moore is coming from. The fact that a 90 min. movie can get you republicans so fired up is hilarious. Beleive it or not some people believe in social responsibility. Taking care of our fellow man. Truth in politics. And all that crap. There is a lot of truth in his first two movies. They are both excellent documentaries. I have'nt seen his latest and will wait till it is on my dish before I do.

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    Play on words, really. I didn't say he wasn't anti-gun...was just saying the movie doesn't mean he is.
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    I was saying he was anti-American because I think he, or some other liberal wacko was saying something that equated to hoping for our troops to all get killed by the Iraqis. That is anti-American. I also don't think mainstream Democrats or even some Green Party people are Anti-American, but I do think some of the far left Green Party guys are, and not just because they are socialists.

    I'm also not a Republican at all. I actually think George Bush is one of the worst presidents we've ever had.

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    does anyone know exactly what anti american statement he was quoted as saying?

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    "The fact that a 90 min. movie can get you republicans so fired up is hilarious."

    If I made up ridiculous lies for 90 minutes about democrats I'd bet they'd be pretty upset.

    "Truth in politics."

    LOL, if you believe in the 'truth', I wouldn't look to Michael Moore.

    "Taking care of our fellow man."

    I don't mind taking care of our fellow man, I just don't want to be forced into it. This is the basis of the new liberal movement.

    "Flynt, Michigan, that was decimated by corporate greed."

    Since corporations are just groups of people than you mean human greed. If you're going to talk about human greed, maybe you should look to someone who is only interested in creating "documentaries" spreading the "truth" for massive amounts of profit.

    LOL the massive hypocrisy involved in one fat super rich white guy getting mad at all the other fat super rich guys for being fat and super rich is astounding and deeply troubling.

    Michael Moore suffers from Sally Struther's complex complicated by the fact he's a pathological liar.
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    The thing I find so funny is people give corporations crap about being greedy . Yet every person that believes this goes to work to earn money . I dont see them going to work and pay the owner to work there .

    These corporate owners invest thousands and millions of dollars to EARN money . When they start losing money or can make more money elsewhere they do it .

    The same way the worker wants to make more money too . Sorry for being off topic all of a sudden .

    Moore is a big fat poopyhead .
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    corporate greed is not the same concept as just going to work to earn money. some problems termed 'corporate greed' are sketchy stock maneuverings, and screwing the people in the lower tiers of their business. going to work to make money is a good thing, you have to see the difference between that and some of the evil things corporations do.

    did the audience applaud at the end when you guys saw this movie too? it was awkward. i felt so out of place in a roomful of people cheering for this movie. no, i wouldn't avoid seeing it if i could go back. it still kept my attention, and was interesting to think about. as for this not swaying people who like bush, i agree. as far as this making people feel more strongly against bush than they already did, i don't konw. honestly, i don't reallly like bush or kerry. watdching this movie made me dislike bush more than i already did for a very short time in the beginning (especially that stuff about how he won the election - though i don't know much about that whole situation, let alone the accuracy in which it was portrayed by moore), but after getting a little farther into the movie, i'd have to assume that he lost all credibility to most people (what the **** am i talking about, everyone was clapping? ), or most people who can think for themselves anyways. his filming is so grossly misleading, but i feel like it is a good conversation piece. i still can't believe they were clapping !!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by nejar462

    Michael Moore suffers from Sally Struther's complex complicated by the fact he's a pathological liar.

    lol

    But Bush, being a republican, can probably get away with being the master bull****er, right?

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    you assume way too much.
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    The word "liberal" is thrown around and I believe it would be more accurate at times to say "radical." These terms are not the same though sometimes go hand in hand. Just a thought. Later all

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    Micheal Moore does put an amazing amount of propaganda in his "documentaries", but altogether, his films do reflect some important truths. I can't wait to see the movie. I have to travel like 40 miles to find a theater that is actually showing it, ha, wonder why... Oh yeah,
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    Quote Originally Posted by AdamGberg
    it is just trying to play on people's emotions, with the camera focusing in on people who are done being interviewed and crying for a few minutes afterwards...blah blah...i will kick myself in the nuts instead if i want to feel sad
    Lol, I just wanted to jump in and, say that isn't this sorta the tactics Mr. Bush used to justify the war in Iraq? The only difference is with Moore, you are out a few bucks and a couple hours. With the war you are out hundreds of millions, thousands of lives, and a wrecked economy.

    To me, regardless of what a movie states, there are still some simple facts that to me would never be excusable, and regardless of whether or not another candidate is better, by voting for bush you condone what he has done. Even if I was for a war in Iraq, I would not be for being decieved and have my emotions played upon to garner support for said war.

    Does anyone know if Bush's presidency even legal? Was there ever a proper inquery into the Florida ballots? Or did the chick that is currently staffed by Bush, responsible for the ballots, and the one judge just decide he won?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brawl
    The thing I find so funny is people give corporations crap about being greedy . Yet every person that believes this goes to work to earn money . I dont see them going to work and pay the owner to work there .

    These corporate owners invest thousands and millions of dollars to EARN money . When they start losing money or can make more money elsewhere they do it .

    The same way the worker wants to make more money too . Sorry for being off topic all of a sudden .

    Moore is a big fat poopyhead .


    People talk about this because many, including Bush, would have you believe that there is no need for corporate regulations on the environment, workers, or things of that sort because businessmen feel a "moral responsibility" to do what is right. The recent case was a bit on NPR I heard about a 130 year old law that allows for the sale of government land for only a few dollars an acre if a mining company can show that a mine on that land will make a profit. They don't have to make a mine at all, though. This has lead to the sale of multi-million dollar mountaintop property for a few hundred dollars and national forest land for less than that, but Bush was defending the law by saying that mining companies would not take advantage of such a law because of the "moral responsibility." Of course you're right, they have no reason to do that; they're there to make money.

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    I don't care much for Moore's tactics but I still would like to see Bush get blasted for 90 mins.
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    Maki, just watch American television. You can see Bush get blasted 24/7. There's no reason to watch that fat ****ing ******'s movie.

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    Unless it's fox news.

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    great movie.
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