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The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness

It’s no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

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    newbie's guide to getting lean

    Black coffee to keep hydrated??Are you kidding??Who moderates these articles??Someone should have caught that.

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    You completely took that out of context. It says to drink a gallon of water per day to keep hydrated, and also to help keep you full. Besides water, coffee and other beverages can also be consumed to help keep you "full".

    Heck of a first post to be criticizing the folks that moderate, but welcome to WBB.

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    I agree, Your FIRST Post and you start by bashing Moderators??? Not a good way to start if you plan to stay...

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    come on......to a newbie reading the article you can't see how is was takin out of context.the author if he had tooken a high scool writing class would now that paragraphs are grouped by a main idea.you throw hydrated into the same subject as black coffee it can be taken out of context.I agree cafeine has its place as an effective thermogenic but it was put into the wrong subject.as far as bashing moderators maybe i was out of line but the paragraph read Drinking at least a gallon of water per day is the norm for most active strength trainers. It is important to keep the body hydrated Besides water, you can drink some hot beverages, such as black coffee or green tea, both of which have caffeine,i thoght the article was geared towards newbies and not just to impress other professionals.

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    to a person who has taken a high school writing class... would spell school correctly.. not only that, but they would know how to use take in the past tense, such as taken wthell is tooken. not to mention they would know that caffeine is spelled with two f's not 1, how's that?

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    And that letters following a period are capitalised...

    I thought it was so ridiculous that I gave him the benefit of the doubt that he was being ironic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick74
    come on......to a newbie reading the article you can't see how is was takin out of context.the author if he had tooken a high scool writing class would now that paragraphs are grouped by a main idea.you throw hydrated into the same subject as black coffee it can be taken out of context.I agree cafeine has its place as an effective thermogenic but it was put into the wrong subject.as far as bashing moderators maybe i was out of line but the paragraph read Drinking at least a gallon of water per day is the norm for most active strength trainers. It is important to keep the body hydrated Besides water, you can drink some hot beverages, such as black coffee or green tea, both of which have caffeine,i thoght the article was geared towards newbies and not just to impress other professionals.
    Amongst this rambling, I think you're trying to apologize. You misunderstood the article, now it's cleared up. Lets drop it.
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    I wrote the article, and it was then edited by Maki.

    I never recommended black coffee to keep hydrated, and I don't think Maki did either.
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    black coffee has as we all know, caffeine. Caffeine is also a diuretic. Diuretics dehydrate you. Drinking something that dehydrates you to hydrate yourself?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sport_Scientist
    black coffee has as we all know, caffeine. Caffeine is also a diuretic. Diuretics dehydrate you. Drinking something that dehydrates you to hydrate yourself?
    Did you read the article? It was taken completely out of context.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sport_Scientist
    black coffee has as we all know, caffeine. Caffeine is also a diuretic. Diuretics dehydrate you.
    Dang scientist school did him well!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick74
    come on......to a newbie reading the article you can't see how is was takin out of context.the author if he had tooken a high scool writing class would now that paragraphs are grouped by a main idea.you throw hydrated into the same subject as black coffee it can be taken out of context.I agree cafeine has its place as an effective thermogenic but it was put into the wrong subject.as far as bashing moderators maybe i was out of line but the paragraph read Drinking at least a gallon of water per day is the norm for most active strength trainers. It is important to keep the body hydrated Besides water, you can drink some hot beverages, such as black coffee or green tea, both of which have caffeine,i thoght the article was geared towards newbies and not just to impress other professionals.
    Somebody get this man a spell checker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sport_Scientist
    black coffee has as we all know, caffeine. Caffeine is also a diuretic. Diuretics dehydrate you. Drinking something that dehydrates you to hydrate yourself?
    If you're drinking a 1+ gallon of water daily it will not be a problem.

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    I'm sure that the author of the article did not have any intention of implying that black coffee would keep you hydrated. Perhaps it wasn't worded optimally, but there's no point in nit-picking for semantics.

    The thing I don't really understand (other than the fact that the guy who wrote the article is a Starbucks junkie) is why black coffee is even being mentioned at all. It's not exactly a beverage I would be recommending. I mean, of course, it's not going to kill you or anything, but neither is a candy bar and I wouldn't be recommending one of those in a "getting lean" article either. If someone wants to drink coffee then fine, but I think the list of recommended beverages should cease after plain old H2O.

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    I'm not quite sure what the problem is.

    Is this the quote in question?

    "Beverages help you fight feelings of hunger and give your stomach that “full” feeling. Drinking at least a gallon of water per day is the norm for most active strength trainers. It is important to keep the body hydrated Besides water, you can drink some hot beverages, such as black coffee or green tea, both of which have caffeine (see supplement section below)."

    From what I read it seems to me that someone is not reading properly. The author is simply mentioning that besides water, some caffiene is fine since many people are not willing to give up their daily shot of caffiene. The author then goes on to explain that this can be a benefit.

    And to Sports Scientist, you need to go back to personal training academy and take a refresher course. However, in the meantime while you are waiting to reregister let me get you started.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maki Riddington
    And to Sports Scientist, you need to go back to personal training academy and take a refresher course. However, in the meantime while you are waiting to reregister let me get you started.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q..._uids=12187618

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...t_uids=2383801

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maki Riddington
    I'm not quite sure what the problem is.

    Is this the quote in question?

    "Beverages help you fight feelings of hunger and give your stomach that “full” feeling. Drinking at least a gallon of water per day is the norm for most active strength trainers. It is important to keep the body hydrated Besides water, you can drink some hot beverages, such as black coffee or green tea, both of which have caffeine (see supplement section below)."
    Seems pretty self-explanitory to me.

    Basically even if you're having other beverages which contain water and may be hot (i.e. green tea and/or coffee, some of the most consumed beverage alternatives) its all good, these alternate beverages can be used to help meet your daily water intake requirements as they are mostly water.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AllUp
    Seems pretty self-explanitory to me.

    Basically even if you're having other beverages which contain water and may be hot (i.e. green tea and/or coffee, some of the most consumed beverage alternatives) its all good, these alternate beverages can be used to help meet your daily water intake requirements as they are mostly water.
    Actually that's not true. If you're going to drink diuretics, you just need to drink MORE water to compensate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HemiVision
    Actually that's not true. If you're going to drink diuretics, you just need to drink MORE water to compensate.
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    The real question is, does the amount of diuretics in a drink completely cancel out the amount of water that the drink contains? A cup of coffee is about, what, 90-95% water? So, will the amount of caffine in a cup of coffee cause me to urinate more than a cup of water?

    Patrick74: It doesn't make a whole lot of sense to bash someone on grammar and attempt to educate on the proper use of grammar, all while creating the very errors yourself in that very paragraph. Also, if you are going to quote something, please use the proper punctuation marks ("").
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    Quote Originally Posted by TBone4Eva
    The real question is, does the amount of diuretics in a drink completely cancel out the amount of water that the drink contains? A cup of coffee is about, what, 90-95% water? So, will the amount of caffine in a cup of coffee cause me to urinate more than a cup of water?
    It probably wouldn't, but that depends on how much caffeine was in the coffee and what your total daily caffeine intake is.

    If you're going to drink enough coffee to boost athletic performance, or take a caffeine supplement, the diuretic effect is a real concern. If you're just having a cup or two a day you probably don't need to adjust your water intake. I drink the extra water anyway, just to be on the safe side... and coffee makes me thirsty.

    More important is that the diuretic effect robs your body of vitamins and minerals - one more reason to take a daily multivitamin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TBone4Eva
    Patrick: It doesn't make a whole lot of sense to bash someone on grammar and attempt to educate on the proper use of grammar, all while creating the very errors yourself in that very paragraph. Also, if you are going to quote something, please use the proper punctuation marks ("").
    Where did I bash anyone for grammar?

    BTW I already said that my article was edited after I wrote it.....
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    LOL, not you SP . The other Patrick. You know, the guy that started the thread. I better edit that and put the 74 in there. My bad for the confusion.
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