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The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness

It’s no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

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    “It is important to note that the mission in question was carried out using other soldiers from the unit,” Boylan said.

    sounds like a real suicide mission to me.....
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    what a group of sissies...

    "nobody told us this army stuff was going to be dangerous!!!!!!!"

    i mean, seriously, how moronic could they be?
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    They should be court martialed and thrown into jail.

    Once you sign on that line, you do as you're told except in a few very very specific cases.

    "Suicide mission" isn't one of those cases.
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    Heres a little something about said mutiny. The very end explains acceptable punishment.



    Punitive Articles of the UCMJ

    Article 94—Mutiny and sedition
    Text.

    (a) "Any person subject to this chapter who--

    (1) with intent to usurp or override lawful military authority, refuse, in concert with any other person, to obey orders or otherwise do his duty or creates any violence or disturbance is guilty of mutiny;

    (2) with intent to cause the overthrow or destruction of lawful civil authority, creates, in concert with any other person, revolt, violence, or other disturbance against that authority is guilty of sedition;

    (3) fails to do his utmost to prevent and suppress a mutiny or sedition being committed in his presence, or fails to take all reasonable means to inform his superior commissioned officer or commanding officer of a mutiny or sedition which he knows or has reason to believe is taking place, is guilty of a failure to suppress or report a mutiny or sedition.

    (b) A person who is found guilty of attempted mutiny, mutiny, sedition, or failure to suppress or report a mutiny or sedition shall be punished by death or such other punishment as a court-martial may direct."


    Elements.

    (1) Mutiny by creating violence or disturbance.

    (a) That the accused created violence or a disturbance; and

    (b) That the accused created this violence or disturbance with intent to usurp or override lawful military authority.

    (2) Mutiny by refusing to obey orders or perform duty.

    (a) That the accused refused to obey orders or otherwise do the accused's duty;

    (b) That the accused in refusing to obey orders or perform duty acted in concert with another person or persons; and

    (c) That the accused did so with intent to usurp or override lawful military authority.

    (3) Sedition.

    (a) That the accused created revolt, violence, or disturbance against lawful civil authority;

    (b) That the accused acted in concert with another person or persons; and

    (c) That the accused did so with the intent to cause the overthrow or destruction of that authority.

    (4) Failure to prevent and suppress a mutiny or sedition.


    (a) That an offense of mutiny or sedition was committed in the presence of the accused; and

    (b) That the accused failed to do the accused's utmost to prevent and suppress the mutiny or sedition.

    (5) Failure to report a mutiny or sedition.

    (a) That an offense of mutiny or sedition occurred;

    (b) That the accused knew or had reason to believe that the offense was taking place; and

    (c) That the accused failed to take all reasonable means to inform the accused's superior commissioned officer or commander of the offense.

    (6) Attempted mutiny.

    (a) That the accused committed a certain overt act;

    (b) That the act was done with specific intent to commit the offense of mutiny;

    (c) That the act amounted to more than mere preparation; and

    (d) That the act apparently tended to effect the commission of the offense of mutiny.


    Explanation.

    (1) Mutiny. Article 94( a)(1) defines two types of mutiny, both requiring an intent to usurp or override military authority.

    (a) Mutiny by creating violence or disturbance. Mutiny by creating violence or disturbance may be committed by one person acting alone or by more than one acting together.

    (b) Mutiny by refusing to obey orders or perform duties. Mutiny by refusing to obey orders or perform duties requires collective insubordination and necessarily includes some combination of two or more persons in resisting lawful military authority. This concert of insubordination need not be preconceived, nor is it necessary that the insubordination be active or violent. It may consist simply of a persistent and concerted refusal or omission to obey orders, or to do duty, with an insubordinate intent, that is, with an intent to usurp or override lawful military authority. The intent may be declared in words or inferred from acts, omissions, or surrounding circumstances.

    (2) Sedition. Sedition requires a concert of action in resistance to civil authority. This differs from mutiny by creating violence or disturbance. See subparagraph c(1)( a) above.

    (3) Failure to prevent and suppress a mutiny or sedition. "Utmost" means taking those measures to prevent and suppress a mutiny or sedition which may properly be called for by the circumstances, including the rank, responsibilities, or employment of the person concerned. "Utmost" includes the use of such force, including deadly force, as may be reasonably necessary under the circumstances to prevent and suppress a mutiny or sedition.

    (4) Failure to report a mutiny or sedition. Failure to "take all reasonable means to inform" includes failure to take the most expeditious means available. When the circumstances known to the accused would have caused a reasonable person in similar circumstances to believe that a mutiny or sedition was occurring, this may establish that the accused had such "reason to believe" that mutiny or sedition was occurring. Failure to report an impending mutiny or sedition is not an offense in violation of Article 94. But see paragraph 16c(3) (dereliction of duty).

    (5) Attempted mutiny. For a discussion of attempts, see paragraph 4.

    Lesser included offenses.

    (1) Mutiny by creating violence or disturbance.

    (a) Article 90--assault on commissioned officer

    (b) Article 91--assault on warrant, noncommissioned, or petty officer

    (c) Article 94--attempted mutiny

    (d) Article 116--riot; breach of peace

    (e) Article 128--assault

    (f) Article 134--disorderly conduct

    (2) Mutiny by refusing to obey orders or perform duties.

    (a) Article 90--willful disobedience of commissioned officer

    (b) Article 91--willful disobedience of warrant, noncommissioned, or petty officer

    (c) Article 92--failure to obey lawful order

    (d) Article 94--attempted mutiny

    (3) Sedition.

    (a) Article 116--riot; breach of peace

    (b) Article 128--assault

    (c) Article 134--disorderly conduct

    (d) Article 80--attempts

    Maximum punishment.

    For all offenses under Article 94, death or such other punishment as a court-martial may direct.
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    Figured perhaps the "other" side of the military should also be shown:


    Paratrooper Who Lost Leg in War Re-Enlists

    Sat Oct 16, 8:10 PM ET U.S. National - AP


    By ESTES THOMPSON, Associated Press Writer

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    Perez, 21, still feels the sweat between his toes when he exercises. He's still plagued with nagging cramps in his calf muscle. And sometimes, when he gets out of bed at night without thinking, he topples over.


    He is one of at least four amputees from the 82nd Airborne Division to re-enlist. With a new carbon-fiber prosthetic leg, Perez intends to show a medical board he can run an eight-minute mile, jump out of airplanes and pass all the other paratrooper tests that will allow him to go with his regiment to Afghanistan (news - web sites) next year.


    On Sept. 14, 2003, Perez, of Carteret, N.J., and seven other members of his squad were rumbling down a road outside Fallujah when a bomb blast rocked their Humvee. Perez recalls flying through the air and hitting the ground hard.


    The blast killed one of Perez's comrades. Perez felt surprisingly little pain, but when he tried to get up, he couldn't. He saw that his left foot was folded backward onto his knee. His size 12 1/2 combat boot stood in the dusty road a few feet away, still laced.


    A photograph of Perez's lonely boot transmitted around the world and spread across two pages of Time magazine became a stark reminder that the war in Iraq was far from over.


    Doctors initially tried to save part of Perez's foot. But an infection crept up his leg, and Perez agreed to allow the amputation below the knee joint.


    "I was going to stay in no matter what," he recalls telling the surgeons. "Do whatever would get me back fastest."


    Perez was left with a rounded stump that fits into the suction cup of the black carbon-fiber prosthetic leg.


    When he arrived at Walter Reed Army Medical Center in Washington, D.C., for his rehabilitation, Perez asked a pair of generals who visited his bedside if it was possible for him to stay in the Army.


    "They told me, 'It's all up to you, how much you want it,'" he says. "If I could do everything like a regular soldier, I could stay in."


    He wasted little time getting started. At one point, a visitor found him doing push-ups in bed. He trained himself to walk normally with his new leg, and then run with it.


    Perez has to rise at least an hour earlier than his fellow soldiers to allow swelling from the previous day's training to subside enough for his stump to fit into the prosthetic.


    But it is a comfort for Perez to know he's not alone.


    At least three other paratroopers in the 82nd have lost limbs in combat during the past two years and re-enlisted. One of them, Staff Sgt. Daniel Metzdorf, lost his right leg above the knee in a Jan. 27 blast. He appealed three times before the fitness board allowed him to stay on.


    "I think it's a testimony to today's professional Army," says division commander Maj. Gen. Bill Caldwell. "I also think, deep down, it is a love for their other paratroopers."


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    Shooter , thanks for that post . The libs dont want anyone seeing what real men are made of . That dude is a stud , no doubt .

    Makes me sick to my stomache having cowardly backstabbers like Kerry even comment on those guys .

    Our soldiers are the sh*t bro . They are over there doing a job that must suck all the while being undermined by liberal p*ssies . They are attacked on a daily basis by terrorists and the libs .
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    i have a lot of respect for that dude.
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    yeah I mean damn, that man is one hard sob
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brawl
    Shooter , thanks for that post . The libs dont want anyone seeing what real men are made of . That dude is a stud , no doubt .

    Thanks for the reply Brawl, but I don't think it's a "lib" or "con" issue. It was more a reply to the original story about 17 men refusing orders. I tend to believe (having several friends in the military), that the military is more made up of people like this paratrooper, guys who care about defending the US and maybe more importantly, don't want their friends to be in the fire without them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gyno Rhino
    They should be court martialed and thrown into jail.

    Once you sign on that line, you do as you're told except in a few very very specific cases.

    "Suicide mission" isn't one of those cases.
    I agree completely. This is why I hate when people use the lost lives as an argument against the war. Personaly I think it was a mistake based on misinformation, but we are there and these men have jobs to do. They knew what they signed up for, and should understand the consequences. When people at home constantly quote numbers it seems almost disrespectfull to the people who people their lives on the line. JMO.
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    whilst i find it interesting that the whole group mutinied, there is a code they need to live up to. and they should be punished according to that code. i hope thye took that into consideration when making there decision.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smalls
    I agree completely. This is why I hate when people use the lost lives as an argument against the war. Personaly I think it was a mistake based on misinformation, but we are there and these men have jobs to do. They knew what they signed up for, and should understand the consequences. When people at home constantly quote numbers it seems almost disrespectfull to the people who people their lives on the line. JMO.
    i find it puzzling

    that the same group who consistently rallies around the "support our troops" mantra

    is the same group that espouses "they knew what they were getting into when they joined" opinion when said troops meet their demise
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    Quote Originally Posted by excokehead
    i find it puzzling

    that the same group who consistently rallies around the "support our troops" mantra

    is the same group that espouses "they knew what they were getting into when they joined" opinion when said troops meet their demise
    The primary reason TO support them is because they are citizens that know full well what they're going into - and they do it anyway.

    It's guts, it's determination. When one of their own dies, they are sad - but they all know that the person who died was willing to make that sacrifice for their country and their home.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gyno Rhino
    The primary reason TO support them is because they are citizens that know full well what they're going into - and they do it anyway.

    It's guts, it's determination. When one of their own dies, they are sad - but they all know that the person who died was willing to make that sacrifice for their country and their home.
    that's a good point

    but i do believe these young boys are dying needlessly

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    Quote Originally Posted by excokehead
    that's a good point

    but i do believe these young boys are dying needlessly
    Maybe you feel that way. I also feel that many of the deaths are sad and could have been avoided.

    But I dare you to tell the family of one of these brave men that their son's death was in vain. That it was "needless".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gyno Rhino
    Maybe you feel that way. I also feel that many of the deaths are sad and could have been avoided.

    But I dare you to tell the family of one of these brave men that their son's death was in vain. That it was "needless".
    Many of these families already feel that their child died in vain, for a cause that wasn't worth fighting for, in Iraq.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gyno Rhino
    Maybe you feel that way. I also feel that many of the deaths are sad and could have been avoided.

    But I dare you to tell the family of one of these brave men that their son's death was in vain. That it was "needless".
    i've seen interviews with family members who said that exact thing

    let's not confuse disagreement with the administration's foreign policy with some kind of contempt for our troops

    i fully support all the young men and women there, and believe they shoud be used in the manner they were intended for; to protect our nation, not to enforce the misguided policies of a misinformed government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xg74
    Well being a soldier myself, I probably would not disobey an order to go through with a convoy without armed escort. Granted we are those escorts so we would not have any problems, but still. During the second push for Baghdad, the 3rd ID had unarmomred hemets running through a gauntlet of small-arms fire, RPG's and IED's to resupply their soldiers, and none of those soldiers in those convoys disobeyed any orders to continue mission. Vehicles are never truly running 100%, but spare parts and spare vehicles arn't exactly something you can get whenever you want it, so sometimes you have to improvise and just move out. They are soldiers, and should understand that death is part of the game we play, it could be around the next corner, could be that piece of junk lying on the side of the road, could be anywhere, but we have to look it in the eye and just continue mission sometimes.


    If they don't like what they are ordered to do, then they never should have joined. The military owns your ass. People do not seem to not understand this simple concept.
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    To paraphrase one soldier...

    "the Military isn't meant to be used for nation-building. Our job is to blow stuff up and kill people."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Max-Mex


    If they don't like what they are ordered to do, then they never should have joined. The military owns your ass. People do not seem to not understand this simple concept.

    I disagree. I understand the responsibility one has to one's superiors. However, if someone gives you an assinine order (not saying this was the situation here) would you follow it blindly?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Manveet
    I disagree. I understand the responsibility one has to one's superiors. However, if someone gives you an assinine order (not saying this was the situation here) would you follow it blindly?
    Actually, your right, we do not follow blindly, thats what makes our military the greatest on the earth. Although in this particular situation they were just pussies that didn't want to do their job. Our vehicles hardly are ever up to speed or working like they should. Hell, on our uparmored trucks the air conditioner not working is supposed to be a deadline (i.e. not supposed to be used for a mission) but we don't care, we go anyway fixed or not (its broken half the time on most of them).
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    I'm not sure where I come down on this issue....yet. I want to wait until I have more information about the situation. On the one hand, I believe they were asked to escort some fuel that was contaminated, so it was of no use anyway. Yet, I wonder if they went through all the proper channels first because they had a couple of phone message from one of the soldiers and she was pleading with her mom to raise hell to keep them from going.
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    The Army connot let them get away with it or they would have mutiny on their hands.. something will be done.. Most likey court martial and Dishonorable discharge.. but no jail time for the lower rank people.. but Leaders will get some.. ..and they will do an investigation into their claims ..but they cannot let them get away with it now that the press has it.. Maybe if the press didn't have it they could've investigated it and just give them minor slap on the wrist..but now that it's world news..
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