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The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness

Itís no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

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    Smith machine bench 1 rep max VS Barbell bench max

    This question is only for guys who know what their flat bench press 1 rep max is on a smith machine and also on a regular barbell bench press.

    For ppl who have not actually attempted benchpress 1 rep maxes on both smith and barbell benches and who simply want to badmouth smith machines, please refrain from posting and giving me estimates. I am fully aware that smith machines are not as effective as free weights and don't need a lecture on the topic.

    So for those of you who have actually tried it, what is your bench 1 rep max on a smith machine and what is it on a regular barbell?

    thanks
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    It will vary widely, so you really can't use one to predict the other.

    Just get stronger. If you want to know what you bench, get under the bar and do it.
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    there is no way to compare... what's with all these conversion type threads?? haha

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    On Smith I was doing 8x145
    I went to a BB Bench, and did 7x135

    Keep in mind I was using only Smith for chest for about 3 months before that first BB Bench session, so my stabilizer's were probably not used to the weight.

    Hope that helps.
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    I find i can bench 20lbs more on the smith at my gym.
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    You do realize that the weight of the bar varies from machine to machine? You should also be aware that some machines are counter balanced. So unless people can post the bar weight on their responses then meaningful comparisons are useless.
    Just one guy's opinion.

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    bb max 300x1
    smith max "330x1"

    i agree with everyone else. this post makes no sense.

    also like comparind the sittin up bench press vs flat
    where as the sittin machine bench i can do the max 255x12

    smith is like a machine, useless weight. our smith machine has a 45lb bar on it but with the all the **** on it its lucky to weigh 10lbs real weight after all the pullies and counterweights take there place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bc2004 View Post
    This question is only for guys who know what their flat bench press 1 rep max is on a smith machine and also on a regular barbell bench press.

    For ppl who have not actually attempted benchpress 1 rep maxes on both smith and barbell benches and who simply want to badmouth smith machines, please refrain from posting and giving me estimates. I am fully aware that smith machines are not as effective as free weights and don't need a lecture on the topic.

    So for those of you who have actually tried it, what is your bench 1 rep max on a smith machine and what is it on a regular barbell?

    thanks


    depends greatly..i used to use the smith thinking it was being a smart person training alone..boy was I wrong for a few reasons. I was able to hit 425 on teh smith on the bench press and only put up 370 when i came off it. That's a big difference but once I got off it and started using the cage for safety instead.. those numbers caught up FAST!

    the smith sucks for a few reasons..

    1) it's a fixed plane of movement..your body doesn't work on a fixed plane of movement so you can't expect any great benefit from it

    2) people believe it's great for safety..that's what a cage is for

    3) it does'nt allow your body to maximize it's own natural "path" the bar would normally follow to allow you to bench with proper form

    4) leads to more injuries than NOT using it does

    5) DON'T USE THE SMITH!




    do yourself a favor... if for some reason you like training on the smith for this or that reason, try benchign in a cage. You can adjust it to your needs and use the bars for safety if you bomb an attempt. You'll notice VERY quickly a change in your physique AND your numbers once you ween yourself off it. I'll stake my reputation on that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thewicked View Post
    depends greatly..i used to use the smith thinking it was being a smart person training alone..boy was I wrong for a few reasons. I was able to hit 425 on teh smith on the bench press and only put up 370 when i came off it. That's a big difference but once I got off it and started using the cage for safety instead.. those numbers caught up FAST!

    the smith sucks for a few reasons..

    1) it's a fixed plane of movement..your body doesn't work on a fixed plane of movement so you can't expect any great benefit from it

    2) people believe it's great for safety..that's what a cage is for

    3) it does'nt allow your body to maximize it's own natural "path" the bar would normally follow to allow you to bench with proper form

    4) leads to more injuries than NOT using it does

    5) DON'T USE THE SMITH!




    do yourself a favor... if for some reason you like training on the smith for this or that reason, try benchign in a cage. You can adjust it to your needs and use the bars for safety if you bomb an attempt. You'll notice VERY quickly a change in your physique AND your numbers once you ween yourself off it. I'll stake my reputation on that.

    This thread is more than 3 years old...I doubt the OP is still here.
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    i saw it down at the bottom of the "replied threads" section HAHA


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    BIG difference for me. The Smith lets me add like 30 lbs. I try to just do flat bench now.
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    wow...thread resurrected...i like how the smith was not being advocated almost 4 years ago on this board, yet people still ask about it now

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    what do you mean by benching in a cage? sry, but it caught my interest since u said your bench numbers will jump

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    Do a google search on power cages or power racks. You can stick a flat bench one and do your presses. If you totally flop an attempt instead of the bar coming down on your chest/abdomen/face its caught by the safety bars on the sides. The confidence knowing you can practice presses a little heavier than you can do without dying can lead to better results. Also read up on training to failure.

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    ok thanks.

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    Last night I tried it out at dicks. My 2 rep bench max is 200. Last night I did 245 by three on their smith machine.
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