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The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness

Itís no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

By: Nick Tumminello Added: January 6th, 2014
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    Quote Originally Posted by trich daddy
    I graduated from a major college with degrees in mathematics and astrophysics. I also smoked, on average, probably 5 days per week during my four years. So I wouldn't say it made me stupid. Being stupid while you're high is another story entirely
    amen to that..i think besides the work it does on your lungs..all effects are temporary

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    Quote Originally Posted by savdout209
    amen to that..i think besides the work it does on your lungs..all effects are temporary
    You cannot remove holes or any change at all for that matter from your brain. And no, for the most part, the lower intelligence is only while you are high. But it still changes your genes (what doesn't?) and affects your brain, and of course, lungs.
    "I would have had sex with a pornstar, slapped a bitch and stole someone's dog." - deeder
    "Ever heard the term "screwing like rabbits? There's a reason it came about, and it has nothing to do with putting up drywall." - mrelwooddowd
    "If you are looking for a workout that will make you sore, you need to reassess your priorities, and perhaps look for an S&M club in your area." - Paul Stagg
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    Its havent smoked since March 15 (Wrestlemania 20). I have to say i feel better for it and since i used to smoke everyday.

    Im a hell of alot more active now, and i just chose a different way to chill rather being dependent on it.

    Congrads on giving it up, i found it hard to throw it away; consider it an accomplishment.
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    So, original poster, what routine are you doing now and how do you feel and all that stuff???
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    obviously its just circumstantial evidence but i know many very intelligent ppl that smoke. Its not a big deal, it really isnt. No worse then alcohol, arguable even better. Myself, i dont, but i have no issue with it and have many close friends that smoke regularly. Its all about not abusing it, or anythin for that matter
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    man, weed is high school. when you grad high school, typcially, you would grow out of it. i used to do some crazy sh!t, quit cold turkey and that worked best. some people smoked that sh!t throughout their life, but then again, some people never grow up. if you're in high school, you'll never reach your potential while you're smoking. kudos about quitting, the rest ofyou still smoking...i'll be stronger than you in the end

    but then again, i say smoke that shizz rather than hit the E.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Titanium_Jim
    I'm against enforcing pot laws, but I don't smoke anymore. Props to you for staying off, it's a good idea. Pot actually makes holes in your brain. No offence to anyone who still smokes, but I think lowering your intelligence to have a good time (and oh yes it WAS a good time) is not the best long term idea.

    My God, and people wonder why it can't get legalized, it's because people like you who swallow any ol' BS. "Holes in your brain"?? Bwahahahahaha....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madd Hatter
    My God, and people wonder why it can't get legalized, it's because people like you who swallow any ol' BS. "Holes in your brain"?? Bwahahahahaha....
    Okay genius, it's not like I just heard it and I believe it, I was in outpatient rehab and I saw pictures of CT scans of the effects of alcohol, pot, and other drugs after only a couple years of heavy use. It really does physically damage your brain whether you can notice or not. I'm well educated in the matter of drugs, I'm not just a person who repeats what somebody's mom said once, or my pothead friend told me.
    "I would have had sex with a pornstar, slapped a bitch and stole someone's dog." - deeder
    "Ever heard the term "screwing like rabbits? There's a reason it came about, and it has nothing to do with putting up drywall." - mrelwooddowd
    "If you are looking for a workout that will make you sore, you need to reassess your priorities, and perhaps look for an S&M club in your area." - Paul Stagg
    "I do encourage that people laugh at the fact I've put ass creme on my face." - Rock Steady
    "I look like a condom full of walnuts." - Risk10k
    "...the mothers would hang out of the window to get a piece of my little peanut ass and my bronzelike skin." - Rock

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    Quote Originally Posted by Titanium_Jim
    Okay genius, it's not like I just heard it and I believe it, I was in outpatient rehab and I saw pictures of CT scans of the effects of alcohol, pot, and other drugs after only a couple years of heavy use. It really does physically damage your brain whether you can notice or not. I'm well educated in the matter of drugs, I'm not just a person who repeats what somebody's mom said once, or my pothead friend told me.
    id be interested in a study that said that marijuana makes holes in your brain
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    way to go man, i quit when i started lifting too, it was affecting my thinking process, i've been feeling better too! and i started when i was 12 and smoked until i was 22, so, yeah, i'm pretty sure you can do it, just stick with it, and even if it's some bomb green, don't touch it (unless it's just that good...) but really, don't smoke, lift up, and create a diet, most gyms have a dietrician that you can talk to for like 20 bucks a half hour, they'll get what you eat down, and you can go from there as long as you do your research, thats what i did, now i'm gaining weight great! and it's only been about a month or so!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Titanium_Jim
    Okay genius, it's not like I just heard it and I believe it, I was in outpatient rehab and I saw pictures of CT scans of the effects of alcohol, pot, and other drugs after only a couple years of heavy use. It really does physically damage your brain whether you can notice or not. I'm well educated in the matter of drugs, I'm not just a person who repeats what somebody's mom said once, or my pothead friend told me.
    more than likely they were using LSD, you think they're going to tell you it's ok to smoke pot in rehab? give me a break, if it created holes in your brain there is no way it would be decriminalized, or even legal for medicinal use anywhere.

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    lol @ holes in your brain. I think all of us have "heard" that pretty much every drug out there puts holes in your brain-and it's 100% nonsense.

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    i think he relapsed

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    Quote Originally Posted by Da_Man
    Down420: congrats on quiting.. like has been said before, eat/sleep/work hard and you can accomplish just about anything.

    Behemoth: "I wish WBB wouldn't allow people to post stuff like that. " <-- and while we are at it... lets take away people's right to free speech.

    In all fairness, if you have to have a vice, make it pot not alchol or any other drugs. But i dont wish to hijack this thread and turn it into cleanheads vs potheads.... so i hit submit
    WBB moderators are allowed to moderate the speech however they please, there is no law against that. And that my friend, is what I was suggesting they do; moderate it for down420's sake.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Titanium_Jim
    You cannot remove holes or any change at all for that matter from your brain. And no, for the most part, the lower intelligence is only while you are high. But it still changes your genes (what doesn't?) and affects your brain, and of course, lungs.
    Holy shiat. It won't do a damn thing to your genes. Also, consider that the people that were smoking pot, and whose brain scans you saw, were probably abusing other drugs, too. I'd bet money on that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Titanium_jim
    You cannot remove holes or any change at all for that matter from your brain.
    That's some creative use of the English language, but I know what you mean. Please go HERE. I'm not trying to argue that you can fully recover from the damage you your neurons took from drug abuse, I'm just pointing out that the common belief that humans can't regenerate brain cells isn't necessarily true.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AzBboy
    i just wanted to congratulate u on turning your life around, drug free. hats off to u. and i was disturbed to read darealsmurf's post, 'i still like to smoke marijuana bc it makes me eat about 3x than usual and im bulking' yea, real smart buddy, turn to drugs to get your appetite in high gear, that'll work out real well.

    Did the DARE officer tell you that? Its used in treatments to make AIDS patients eat buddy. Ive used it for bulking and ive gained good muscle

    Where the hell is this holes in the brain and hard to quit stuff coming from? If you think its hard to quit weed THEN BY GOD dont EVER smoke cigarettes or drink alcohol. Quitting weed is as easy as trying to quit drinking coca-cola (actually easier because its less addictive then caffeine).



    Ive learned that weed is a lot like steroids. People use them to make themselves feel better. There is no definitive proof that either does damage used in moderation, so why make up stuff to piss off the people who decided themselves to use them?
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    I'm going to say marijuana should not be included in any serious persons diet and training program.

    it is known that marijuana contains some of the same, and sometimes even more, of the cancer-causing chemicals found in tobacco smoke. Studies show that someone who smokes five joints per day may be taking in as many cancer-causing chemicals as someone who smokes a full pack of cigarettes every day
    http://www.nida.nih.gov/MarijBroch/teenpg9-10.html

    People who smoke marijuana often develop the same kinds of breathing problems that cigarette smokers have: coughing and wheezing. They tend to have more chest colds than nonusers. They are also at greater risk of getting lung infections like pneumonia.
    http://www.nida.nih.gov/MarijBroch/teenpg9-10.html

    THC can damage the cells and tissues in the body that help protect against disease. When the immune cells are weakened you are more likely to get sick.
    http://www.nida.nih.gov/MarijBroch/teenpg9-10.html

    Long-term marijuana use can lead to addiction in some people. That is, they cannot control their urges to seek out and use marijuana, even though it negatively affects their family relationships, school performance, and recreational activities
    http://www.nida.nih.gov/MarijBroch/t....html#addicted

    A study of 450 individuals found that people who smoke marijuana frequently but do not smoke tobacco have more health problems and miss more days of work than nonsmokers(9). Many of the extra sick days among the marijuana smokers in the study were for respiratory illnesses.
    http://www.nida.nih.gov/Infofax/marijuana.html

    Students who smoke marijuana get lower grades and are less likely to graduate from high school, compared with their non-smoking peers(24, 25, 26, 27). A study of 129 college students found that, for heavy users of marijuana (those who smoked the drug at least 27 of the preceding 30 days), critical skills related to attention, memory, and learning were significantly impaired even after they had not used the drug for at least 24 hours
    http://www.nida.nih.gov/Infofax/marijuana.html

    Research shows that the earlier people start using drugs, the more likely they are to go on to experiment with other drugs. In addition, when young people start using marijuana regularly, they often lose interest and are not motivated to do their schoolwork. The effects of marijuana can interfere with learning by impairing thinking, reading comprehension, and verbal and mathematical skills.
    http://www.well.com/user/woa/fspot.htm

    Studies of men and women may have a temporary loss of fertility. These findings suggest that marijuana may be especially harmful during adolescence, a period of rapid physical and sexual development.
    http://www.well.com/user/woa/fspot.htm

    Young people who smoke marijuana heavily over long periods of time can become dull, slow moving, and inattentive.http://www.well.com/user/woa/fspot.htm

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    I find it somewhat amusing that some people are opposed to marijuana use, but wouldn't think twice about trying to alter their biochemistry to increase muscle mass.
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    ^^ Asskicking post Salah G. Kudos.

    Again, down420, hopefully you're still reading this, how are you doing now? What routine are you doing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Titanium_Jim
    Okay genius, it's not like I just heard it and I believe it, I was in outpatient rehab and I saw pictures of CT scans of the effects of alcohol, pot, and other drugs after only a couple years of heavy use. It really does physically damage your brain whether you can notice or not. I'm well educated in the matter of drugs, I'm not just a person who repeats what somebody's mom said once, or my pothead friend told me.
    Read what you just wrote again
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    The first man takes the sails
    Second takes the afterdeck
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    Quote Originally Posted by SalahG
    I'm going to say marijuana should not be included in any serious persons diet and training program.

    it is known that marijuana contains some of the same, and sometimes even more, of the cancer-causing chemicals found in tobacco smoke. Studies show that someone who smokes five joints per day may be taking in as many cancer-causing chemicals as someone who smokes a full pack of cigarettes every day
    http://www.nida.nih.gov/MarijBroch/teenpg9-10.html
    Wow.... all .gov sites. I can't imagine they'd be biased in the least. Not to mention all the pot studies that they BURY. For example, the infamous 1970s study, which has been replicated half a dozen times since by the way, that says that THC and other cannabinoids are incredible cancer medications as they tend to inhibit growth, and in some forms, kill tumors completely.

    But back to the question of tar and carcinogens. Why is it that Europeans, who smoke more than Americans, have far lower rates of lung cancer? The answer, my friend, is polonium 220.... which cannabis does NOT contain, incidentally.

    Read and be enlightened:

    From: Sol Lightman

    The following is the text of a pamphlet I wrote for an organization
    at UMASS amherst

    It is an attempt to point out some of the absurdities in the marijuana-
    is-bad-for-you-like-cigarettes bull****, as well as take a few cheap
    (but well aimed) shots at the tobacco industry.
    It is written from a pro-marijuana-relegalization perspective,
    and if you want a copy, mail us a Self Addressed Stamped Envelope.
    (we're poor.)

    An address and some sources are at the end.

    So, you thought it was the tar that caused cancer...

    Think again. Cigarette companies will have you believing
    anything just as long as you continue to buy their products. The
    fact is, although insoluble tars are a contributing factor to the
    lung cancer danger present in today's cigarettes, the real danger
    is radioactivity. According to U.S. Surgeon General C. Everette
    Koop (on national television, 1990) radioactivity, not tar,
    accounts for at least 90% of all smoking related lung cancer.
    Tobacco crops grown in the United States are fertilized by law
    with phosphates rich in radium 226. In addition, many soils have
    a natural radium 226 content. Radium 226 breaks down into two long
    lived 'daughter' elements -- lead 210 and polonium 210. These
    radioactive particles become airborne, and attach themselves to the
    fine hairs on tobacco leaves.
    Studies have shown that lead 210 and polonium 210 deposits
    accumulate in the bodies of people exposed to cigarette smoke.
    Data collected in the late 1970's shows that smokers have three
    times as much of these elements in their lower lungs as non
    smokers. Smokers also show a greater accumulation of lead 210 and
    polonium 210 in their skeletons,though no studies have been
    conducted to link these deposits with bone cancer. Polonium 210 is
    the only component of cigarette smoke which has produced tumors by
    itself in inhalation experiments with animals.
    When a smoker inhales tobacco smoke, the lungs react by
    forming irritated areas in the bronchi. All smoke produces this
    effect. However, although these irritated spots are referred to as
    'pre-cancerous' lesions, they are a perfectly natural defense
    system and usually go away with no adverse effects. Insoluble tars
    in tobacco smoke can slow this healing process by adhering to
    lesions and causing additional irritation. In addition, tobacco
    smoke causes the bronchi to constrict for long periods of time,
    which obstructs the lung's ability to clear itself of these
    residues.
    Polonium 210 and lead 210 in tobacco smoke show a tendency to
    accumulate at lesions in specific spots, called bifurcations, in
    the bronchi. When smoking is continued for an extended period of
    time, deposits of radioactivity turn into radioactive 'hot spots'
    and remain at bifurcations for years. Polonium 210 emits highly
    localized alpha radiation which has been shown to cause cancer.
    Since the polonium 210 has a half life of 21.5 years (Due to the
    presence of lead 210), it can put an ex-smoker at risk for years
    after he or she quits. Experiments measuring the level of polonium
    210 in victims of lung cancer found that the level of 'hot spot'
    activity was virtually the same in smokers and ex-smokers even though
    the ex-smokers had quit five years prior to death.
    Over half of the radioactive materials emitted by a burning
    cigarette are released into the air, where they can be inhaled by
    non-smokers. In addition to lead 210 and polonium 210 it has been
    proven that tobacco smoke can cause airborne radioactive particles
    to collect in the lungs of both smokers and non-smokers exposed to
    second hand smoke. Original studies conducted on uranium miners
    which showed an increased risk of lung cancer due to exposure to
    radon in smokers have been re-run to evaluate the radioactive lung
    cancer risk from indoor air radon. It turns out that tobacco smoke
    works as a kind of 'magnet' for airborne radioactive particles,
    causing them to deposit in your lungs instead of on furniture.
    (Smoking indoors increases lung cancer risks greatly.)
    It has been estimated that the total accumulated alpha
    radiation exposure of a pack-a-day indoor smoker is 38 to 97 rad by
    age 60. (Two packs a day yields up to 143 rad, and non-smokers
    receive no more than 17 rad.) An exposure of 1 rad per year yields
    a 1% risk of lung cancer (at the lowest estimate.)
    Don't smoke. Or if you do, smoke lightly, outdoors, and
    engage frequently in activities which will clear your lungs.
    Imported India tobacco has less than half the radiation content of
    that grown in the U.S.
    Kicking the nicotine habit is not easy, and nobody has the
    right to expect it of you. Often physical addictions are
    reinforced by emotional and psychological needs. Filling or coming
    to terms with those needs can give you the inspiration and added
    freedom to succeed.
    Most of all, inform yourself, even if the information is
    disturbing. You are a lot less likely to be taken in by tobacco
    advertising once you know the facts.


    Nicotine, the active ingredient in tobacco smoke, has long
    been known to be highly addictive. In fact, doctors and
    pharmacologists are not in consensus as to which is more addictive
    -- nicotine, or heroin. Physical addiction occurs when a chemical
    becomes essential for the body or metabolism to function. In other
    words, a substance is said to be physically addictive if extended
    use results in a build up of tolerance in the body to the extent
    that discontinuing use of the substance results in negative side
    effects. Called "withdrawal symptoms," these consequences can
    include anxiety, stress, trauma, depression and physical conditions
    such as shakes or nausea. It is to avoid these consequences that
    an addict will keep using his or her substance.
    In addition to being addictive, nicotine is also a toxin (i.e.
    lethal if ingested in sufficient quantities.) Nicotine has been
    shown to have a negative effect on the heart and circulatory
    systems, causing a constriction in veins and arteries which may
    lead to a stroke or heart attack. In fact, nicotine is so
    poisonous that smokers who ignore their doctor's advice and
    continue to smoke while using dermal nicotine patches have managed
    to overdose and die of heart seizure.

    Many people think smoking marijuana is just as harmful as
    smoking tobacco, but this is not true. Those who hold that
    marijuana is equivalent to tobacco are misinformed. Due to the
    efforts of various federal agencies to discourage use of
    marijuana in the 1970's the government, in a fit of "reefer
    madness," conducted several biased studies designed to return
    results that would equate marijuana smoking with tobacco smoking,
    or worse.
    For example the Berkeley carcinogenic tar studies of the
    late 1970's concluded that "marijuana is one-and-a-half times as
    carcinogenic as tobacco." This finding was based solely on the
    tar content of cannabis leaves compared to that of tobacco, and
    did not take radioactivity into consideration. (Cannabis tars do
    not contain radioactive materials.) In addition, it was not
    considered that:
    1) Most marijuana smokers smoke the bud, not the leaf, of
    the plant. The bud contains only 33% as much tar as tobacco.
    2) Marijuana smokers do not smoke anywhere near as much as
    tobacco smokers, due to the psychoactive effects of cannabis.
    3) Not one case of lung cancer has ever been successfully
    linked to marijuana use.
    4) Cannabis, unlike tobacco, does not cause any narrowing of
    the small air passageways in the lungs.
    In fact, marijuana has been shown to be an expectorant and
    actually dilates the air channels it comes in contact with. This
    is why many asthma sufferers look to marijuana to provide relief.
    Doctors have postulated that marijuana may, in this respect, be
    more effective than all of the prescription drugs on the market.
    Studies even show that due to marijuana's ability to clear
    the lungs of smog, pollutants, and cigarette smoke, it may
    actually reduce your risk of emphysema, bronchitis, and lung
    cancer. Smokers of cannabis have been shown to outlive non-
    smokers in some areas by up to two years. Medium to heavy
    tobacco smokers will live seven to ten years longer if they also
    smoke marijuana.
    Cannabis is also radically different from tobacco in that it
    does not contain nicotine and is not addictive. The psychoactive
    ingredient in marijuana, THC, has been accused of causing brain
    and genetic damage, but these studies have all been disproven.
    In fact, the DEA's own Administrative Law Judge Francis Young has
    declared that "marijuana in its natural form is far safer than
    many foods we commonly consume."

    The disturbing thing about all of this information is that
    the majority of Americans are as yet unaware of the radioactive
    risk in cigarettes. In fact, many professionals: doctors,
    scientists and health administrators, either have never heard of
    polonium 210 or consider it to be just another scare story.
    Why is this information so hard to come by? When the
    studies were first released in the late 70's, many magazines were
    unable to print articles because their main advertisers,
    cigarette companies, threatened to pull support if they published
    the facts. Although network news did pick up the story,
    virtually nothing came out in print. Those who heard were hard
    pressed to produce collaborating evidence, and were eventually
    convinced it was nothing to worry about.
    The power of the cigarette industry to suppress information
    goes far beyond magazines, however. A well financed tobacco
    lobby has been very active in the United States Congress for
    decades procuring subsidies and fighting laws and proposed
    research which could hurt the American tobacco industry. Tobacco
    interests practically own Senate and House seats, as many
    campaign contributions come from cigarette profits. Tobacco pay-
    offs also go to fund organizations such as the Partnership For A
    Drug Free America, which adopt a harsh anti-drug agenda yet seem
    to omit alcohol and tobacco (claiming they are harmless.)
    As an example, a 1984 law which was intended to require
    tobacco companies to release to the public a list of additives
    used in the manufacture of cigarettes was watered down to the
    extent that the list is now released only to the Department of
    Health and Human Services on the condition that it not be shown
    to anyone else. Companies have been known in the past to add
    chemicals to cigarettes for flavor, and, many assert, for their
    addictive properties. In Britain such chemicals have included
    acetone and turpentine, as well as an assortment of known
    carcinogens.
    Tobacco companies argue that revealing their 'secret
    ingredients' would hurt their competitiveness. In fact, when
    Canada passed legislation forcing additive lists to be released,
    one large company reformulated its recipe for its Canadian
    distribution; another took its product out of Canada entirely.
    Tobacco companies do not have the right to poison the
    public. Don't trust them. Get the information you need to make
    your own decisions, and restore government to the people.

    Another destructive aspect of the Drug War is the
    unreasonable measures taken as a result of "reefer madness."
    Because of the long standing anti-pot-smoking paranoia begun in
    the 1930's, many law enforcement agencies have taken it upon
    themselves to censor and limit the marijuana culture through
    whatever channels they can find. This includes the banning of
    various forms of drug "paraphernalia" (pipes, clips, rolling
    papers, etc.)
    Water pipes, or "bongs," are quite often the target of such
    efforts. Claiming that water pipes are constructed to allow
    marijuana smokers to inhale "dangerous" marijuana smoke deeper
    into their lungs, many states and towns have passed laws
    controlling the sale, manufacture, and possession of these items
    for "health" reasons.
    The sad fact is, water pipes have been shown to be extremely
    effective in removing harmful materials from smoke before it
    reaches the lungs. They also cool the smoke and prevent injury
    and irritation to lung passages. In effect, laws against water
    pipes hurt all smokers, cannabis and tobacco, by preventing the
    development of safer forms of consumption.

    Produced as a public service by the University of Massachusetts
    at Amherst Cannabis Reform Coalition
    Researched and written by Brian S. Julin
    Corrections, comments, inquiries should be addressed to:

    UMASS CANNABIS
    S.A.O. Box #2
    Student Union
    UMASS Amherst, MA
    01003


    Sources:

    (radioactivity)

    o E.A. Martel, "Alpha Radiation Dose at Bronchial Bifurcations
    From Indoor Exposure to Radon Progeny", Proceeds of the National
    Academy of Science, Vol. 80, pp. 1285-1289, March 1983.
    o Naoimi H. Harley, Beverly S. Cohen, and T.C. Tso, "Polonium 210:
    A Questionable Risk Factor in Smoking Related Carcingenisis."
    o "Radiactivity: the New-Found Danger in Cigarettes," Reader's
    Digest, March 1986.
    o "Would You Still Rather Fight Than Switch?," Whole Life Times,
    Mid-April/May 1985.

    (secret ingredients)

    o "What Goes Up In Smoke?," Nation, December 23, 1991.

    (marijuana)

    o "The Emperor Wears No Clothes," Jack Herer, HEMP/Queen of Clubs
    Publishing, 1992

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    More Reasearch

    Winters-TH, Franza-JR, Radioactivity in Cigarette Smoke,
    New England Journal of Medicine, 1982;
    306(6): 364-365 (reproduced w/o permission)

    To the Editor: During the 17 years since the Surgeon General's
    first report on smoking, intense research activity has been focused
    on the carcinogenic potential of the tar component of cigarette
    smoke. Only one definite chmical carcinogen -- benzopyrene --

    (typist note: He was later corrected on this "fact")

    has been found. Conspicuous because of its absence is research into
    the role of the radioactive component of cigarette smoke.
    The alpha emitters polonium-210 and lead-210 are highly con-
    centrated on tobacco trichomes and insoluble particles in cigarette
    smoke (1). The major source of the polonium is phosphate fertilizer,
    which is used in growing tobacco. The trichomes of the leaves con-
    centrate the polonium, which persists when tobacco is dried and
    processed.
    Levels of Po-210 were measured in cigarette smoke by Radford and
    Hunt (2) and in the bronchial epithelium of smokers and nonsmokers
    by Little et al. (3) After inhalation, ciliary action causes the insoluble
    radioactive particles to accumulate at the bifurcation of segmental
    bronchi, a common site of origin of bronchogenic carcinomas.
    In a person smoking 1 1/2 packs of cigarettes per day, the radia-
    tion dose to the bronchial epithelium in areas of bifurcation is 8000
    mrem per year -- the equivalent of the dose to the skin from 300
    x-ray films of the chest per year. This figure is comparable to total-
    body exposure to natural background radiation containing 80
    mrem per year in someone living in the Boston area.
    It is a common practive to assume that the exposure received
    from a radiation source is distributed throughout a tissue. In this
    way, a high level of exposure in a localized region -- e.g. bronchial
    epithelium -- is averaged out over the entire tissue mass, suggest-
    ing a low level of exposure. However, alpha particles have a range of
    only 40 um in the body. A cell nucleus of 5 to 6 um that is traversed
    by a single alpha particle receives a dose of 1000 rems. Thus, although
    the total tissue dose might be considered negligible, cells
    close to an alpha source receive high doses. The Po-210 alpha activity
    of cigarette smoke may be a very effective carcinogen if a multiple
    mutation mechanism is involved.
    Radford and Hunt have determined that 75 per cent of the alpha
    activity of cigarette smoke enters the ambient air and is unab-
    sorbed by the smoker, (2) making it available for deposit in the lungs
    of others. Little et al. have measured levels of Po-210 in the lungs of
    nonsmokers that may not be accounted for on the basis of natural
    exposure to this isotope.
    The detrimental effects of tobacco smoke have been considerably
    underestimated, making it less likely that chemical carcinogens
    alone are responsible for the observed incidence of tobacco-related
    carcinoma. Alpha emitters in cigarette smoke result in appreciable
    radiation exposure to the bronchial epithelium of smokers and
    probably secondhand smokers. Alpha radiation is a possible etio-
    logic factor in tobacco-related carcinoma, and it deserves further
    study.

    Thomas H. Winters, M.D.
    Joseph R. Di Franza, M.D.
    University of Massachesetts
    Worcester, Ma 01605 Medical Center

    1. Mertell EA. Radioactivity of tobacco trichomes and insoluble cigarette
    smoke particles. Nature. 1974; 249:215-7.
    2. Radford EP Jr, Hunt VR. Polonum-210: a volatile radioelement in cig-
    arettes. Science. 1964; 143:247-9
    3. Little JB, Radford EP Jr, McCombs HL, Hunt VR. Distribution of po-
    lonium-210 in pulmonary tissues of cigarette smokers. N Engl J Med.
    1965; 273:1343-51.

    This letter was followed up by 5 letters which appear to support Winters
    and Di Franza and 2 letters which appear to not support them. I'm not
    about to type all those in along with the author's rebuttal, however.
    Check out NEJM 307(5):309-313.

    --
    Lamont Granquist

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    Second takes the afterdeck
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    Quote Originally Posted by trich daddy
    Wow.... all .gov sites. I can't imagine they'd be biased in the least. Not to mention all the pot studies that they BURY. For example, the infamous 1970s study, which has been replicated half a dozen times since by the way, that says that THC and other cannabinoids are incredible cancer medications as they tend to inhibit growth, and in some forms, kill tumors completely.

    But back to the question of tar and carcinogens. Why is it that Europeans, who smoke more than Americans, have far lower rates of lung cancer? The answer, my friend, is polonium 220.... which cannabis does NOT contain, incidentally.

    Read and be enlightened:
    Bro, if you want to use Marijuana, that is your choice. To say marijuana does not have any adverse side effects, and is perfectly safe is just wishful thinking.

    Another note, government studies done by the FDA are the most valid studies in the world.
    Last edited by SalahG; 11-04-2004 at 04:12 PM.

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    Another note, government studies done by the FDA are the most valid studies in the world
    Wrong again. The US government supplies marijuana to studies which they approve. Independent studies are not allowed to use marijuana grown themselves. Incidentally, the marijuana that the government grows is very, VERY low in THC and other active ingredients and high in tar. Why is it high in tar?? It's simple really... the marijuana they supply has not been trimmed of extraneous fan leaves and leaves. The marijuana bud itself contains a much lower tar percentage than the leaves. They know this, and thus they include the leaves and fan leaves in their samples.

    Possible negative side effects of cannabis:
    *altered mood/perception
    *altered sleep patterns
    *depression
    *lung infections (chest colds)
    *gingivitis
    *irritability (psychological withdrawal)
    *illegality
    *social issues (some users become socially withdrawn)
    They say that when your ships comes in
    The first man takes the sails
    Second takes the afterdeck
    The third: the planks and rails.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trich daddy
    Wrong again. The US government supplies marijuana to studies which they approve. Independent studies are not allowed to use marijuana grown themselves. Incidentally, the marijuana that the government grows is very, VERY low in THC and other active ingredients and high in tar. Why is it high in tar?? It's simple really... the marijuana they supply has not been trimmed of extraneous fan leaves and leaves. The marijuana bud itself contains a much lower tar percentage than the leaves. They know this, and thus they include the leaves and fan leaves in their samples.

    Possible negative side effects of cannabis:
    *altered mood/perception
    *altered sleep patterns
    *depression
    *lung infections (chest colds)
    *gingivitis
    *irritability (psychological withdrawal)
    *illegality
    *social issues (some users become socially withdrawn)
    I was never wrong in the first place, so I can't be wrong again. Everything I cited were facts. Let the people make up there minds on there own, take information from "TriCh DaDDy", or the FDA.

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    I like your response. You come across someone better versed on the subject and you default to the government studies which you KNOW are biased.

    What about one of their first studies that indicated marijuana could kill in high enough doses? Ya... that flew well for a decade or two until the truth came out: the chimps used in the experiment had gas masks strapped to their face out of which nothing but marijuana smoke came. Death by marijuana? Or death by asphyxiation? You decide...

    EDIT: I better be clear here... THC has an extraordinarily high toxicity level. It is impossible to achieve this level through smoking. Intraveneous injections of THC might suffice... yet I don't know anyone who does this.
    Last edited by trich daddy; 11-04-2004 at 04:21 PM.
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