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The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness

Itís no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

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    Question about crunches from a rookie

    OK - I've been doing crunches for about 4 months now, and losing fat at the same time. I usually do between 50 and 100 every day to try and lose my spare tire. Here's the problem - after I do about 30, I can feel it in the muscles in the top part of my gut, under my ribs. But I can't feel the muscles working in my lower abs.

    Like I said, I still have a bit of a gut - could that be getting in the way of doing full crunches? I'm pretty sure my form is right - I read somewhere that I shouldn't have my hands behind my head, so I keep them in front of my chest. I've tried different crunches too - regular, backwards, legs elevated, crunching to the sides, etc.

    .....any tips?

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    for one... you cant spot reduce and if you are insistent on doing a lower ab exercise... try some hanging leg raises.

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    my tip, focus on your diet and/or cardio.
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    diet? crunches everyday why?
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    1) You can't choose wear the fat comes off of (chances are the stomach and lower back will be the last place if you are male).

    2. I know you can't specifically isolate part of the abs, but you can place more emphasis on certain parts. Crunches, by nature, place more emphasis on the upper than lower abs, whereas exercises where you pull your legs into you place more on the lower abs.

    3. You need not do so many reps (at least not at once). If you can do more than about 15 reps then add some weight.

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    You shouldn't be doing abs everyday.

    You should do hanging leg raises as ryuage said, and be decreasing the repetitions and adding some weight, otherwise you're training endurance and not size, and I'm assuming you want your abs to show.

    I'd also highly recommend cardiovascular work. But you have to realize that you have to do it for more than 30 minutes (approximately), otherwise you won't be burning from fat stores.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EnragedFetus
    You shouldn't be doing abs everyday.
    Yup

    Quote Originally Posted by EnragedFetus
    You should do hanging leg raises as ryuage said, and be decreasing the repetitions and adding some weight, otherwise you're training endurance and not size, and I'm assuming you want your abs to show.
    Yup

    Quote Originally Posted by EnragedFetus
    I'd also highly recommend cardiovascular work. But you have to realize that you have to do it for more than 30 minutes (approximately), otherwise you won't be burning from fat stores.
    The most effective type of cardio for fat-burning (and muscle-sparing) is HIIT. You don't have to do this for anywhere near 30 minutes.

    Also, if you are just doing regular cardio, it's not like the first 30 minutes are a waste. A calorie burned is a calorie burned and it's all going to create the same deficit which is what you're after.

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    Quote Originally Posted by getfit
    diet? crunches everyday why?
    I weigh 235 now, and I'm aiming for about 200. I crunch everyday to lose those pesky love handles and tighten up loose skin (I used to weigh 301). Even under the fat, my abs feel a little soft. Should I be taking off days like I do with other muscles?

    Thanks to everyone for the advice - I'll try doing more of the leg raises and reverse crunches. How do I add weight to hanging leg raises - with ankle weights or something?

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    crunches everday imo is way too much concentrate more on your diet for your abs and cardio like everyone else said
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patriot54
    I weigh 235 now, and I'm aiming for about 200. I crunch everyday to lose those pesky love handles and tighten up loose skin (I used to weigh 301). ?
    To repeat: CRUNCHES DO NOT MAKE YOUR WAIST SMALLER. THEY DO NOT TIGHTEN UP LOOSE SKIN.

    One more time: CRUNCHES DO NOT MAKE YOUR WAIST SMALLER. THEY DO NOT TIGHTEN UP LOOSE SKIN.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Max-Mex
    To repeat: CRUNCHES DO NOT MAKE YOUR WAIST SMALLER. THEY DO NOT TIGHTEN UP LOOSE SKIN.

    One more time: CRUNCHES DO NOT MAKE YOUR WAIST SMALLER. THEY DO NOT TIGHTEN UP LOOSE SKIN.
    Don't beat around the bush - what are you trying to say?

    Seriously though, what else can I do to tighten that up? Is it a combination of all of the above (cardio, crunch, strict diet) or do I just have to give it time to go away on it's own? Someone told me that after being so fat (5'8", 300lbs) the only way to get rid of it was surgery.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patriot54
    Don't beat around the bush - what are you trying to say?

    Seriously though, what else can I do to tighten that up? Is it a combination of all of the above (cardio, crunch, strict diet) or do I just have to give it time to go away on it's own? Someone told me that after being so fat (5'8", 300lbs) the only way to get rid of it was surgery.
    Surgery is definitly not something needed at all. Doing crunches/ab work everyday is unncessary, treat it like any other muscle. It needs rest. If you are hellbent on doing them, do them every other day at most. Crunches and other ab work wont help much with reducing fat. The big key there is diet and cardio. If you get on a diet where you can keep track of your total caloric intake for each day (check out www.fitday.com), and combine that with a certain amount of cardio per week, you will start to shed off fat. You can also keep most if not all of your muscle if you diet smart. Do a search for cutting routines, you'll find a bunch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ecliptic
    Surgery is definitly not something needed at all. Doing crunches/ab work everyday is unncessary, treat it like any other muscle. It needs rest. If you are hellbent on doing them, do them every other day at most. Crunches and other ab work wont help much with reducing fat. The big key there is diet and cardio. If you get on a diet where you can keep track of your total caloric intake for each day (check out www.fitday.com), and combine that with a certain amount of cardio per week, you will start to shed off fat. You can also keep most if not all of your muscle if you diet smart. Do a search for cutting routines, you'll find a bunch.
    Thanks for the advice and the link - that fitday site is just what I need to keep track of my calories.

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    Sorry to be so rough on you about the crunches, but you kept missing that particular inforation in other posts so I had to make it really obvious. The skin will eventually shrink some. IF you lose weight at a slower pace, you are less likely to have skin hanging. There is a point where the skin will not shrink anymore. If you feel you have reached that point, and no I don't know when that will be, then surgery can be an option. It should be a LAST option.

    Secondly, sorry to go against you on this ecliptic, but are no such things as cutting routines. Cutting/Bulking Diets yes. Routines, no.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Max-Mex
    Sorry to be so rough on you about the crunches, but you kept missing that particular inforation in other posts so I had to make it really obvious. The skin will eventually shrink some. IF you lose weight at a slower pace, you are less likely to have skin hanging. There is a point where the skin will not shrink anymore. If you feel you have reached that point, and no I don't know when that will be, then surgery can be an option. It should be a LAST option.

    Secondly, sorry to go against you on this ecliptic, but are no such things as cutting routines. Cutting/Bulking Diets yes. Routines, no.
    It's cool - I understood you were just trying to emphasize the point. I was just joking around with my response.

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