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The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness

Itís no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

By: Nick Tumminello Added: January 6th, 2014
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    High calorie pre-bedtime meal.

    I sometimes (50% of the time?) eat this 30 mins to 1 hour 30 mins before sleeping... I'm currently bulkng. Wondering if this is ok or if it is too much before bed time.

    1 1/2 scoops Mammoth 2500
    1 cup 2% Milk
    1 tablespoon Olive oil
    1 can tuna
    1 banana
    1 tangerine

    Total Calories 877
    Total Fat 27g
    Total Carbs 106g
    Total Protein 58g
    "I added some db curls with the pink weights for a bit of a burn." - Rookiebldr

    "im assuming the holy (big) 3 are: curls, bench, legs?" - Saggas

    "had a huge ass burn on my triceps while I was doing those kickbacks, so they'll likely be staying with my exercise program." - Zearoth

    "most of my burned calories coming from something called Basal. Wtf does a leaf have to do with any of it?" - Votorx

    "We have a lot of people like that on our campus, all hippies and things, that go around preaching against corporations, jocks, preps, accountants, and anyone else that feels the need to shower more than occasionally." - Shankerr

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    looks fine to me
    yea that's right, be jealous

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    If you've worked out 1 hour before hand yes, otherwise I wouldn't advise it.

    ST
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    CC are you taking 1.5 scoops of mamouth?
    or .5 scoops?

    Quote Originally Posted by Severed Ties
    If you've worked out 1 hour before hand yes, otherwise I wouldn't advise it.

    ST
    how come?

    Mammoth 2500 = Protein Blend (Whey Protein Concentrate, Calcium Caseinate, Egg White Albumen) Maltodextrin, Crystalline Fructose, Cocoa, Medium Chain Triglycerides (derived from Fractionated Coconut Oil), Enzyme Blend ( Protease I, Protease II, Lactase, Amylase), Natural and Artificial Flavours, Tricalcium Phosphate.

    Per 235 g Serving = 4 Rounded Scoops
    Protein :50g
    Fat: 18g
    Carbohydrate: 152g

    so 1 scoop would be
    12.5g protein
    4.5g fat
    38g carbs
    Last edited by geoffgarcia; 11-18-2004 at 12:49 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by geoffgarcia
    CC are you taking 1.5 scoops of mamouth?
    or .5 scoops?

    how come?

    Mammoth 2500 = Protein Blend (Whey Protein Concentrate, Calcium Caseinate, Egg White Albumen) Maltodextrin, Crystalline Fructose, Cocoa, Medium Chain Triglycerides (derived from Fractionated Coconut Oil), Enzyme Blend ( Protease I, Protease II, Lactase, Amylase), Natural and Artificial Flavours, Tricalcium Phosphate.

    Per 235 g Serving = 4 Rounded Scoops
    Protein :50g
    Fat: 18g
    Carbohydrate: 152g

    so 1 scoop would be
    12.5g protein
    4.5g fat
    38g carbs

    900 calories before bed outside of a post workout window will only make you fat.
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    If it fits into your daily caloric intake, then it really should make much, if any, difference.
    "It is often said, mainly by the "no-contests", that although there is no positive evidence for the existence of God, nor is there evidence against his existence. So it is best to keep an open mind and be agnostic. At first sight that seems an unassailable position, at least in the weak sense of Pascal's wager. But on second thought it seems a cop-out, because the same could be said of Father Christmas and tooth fairies. There may be fairies at the bottom of the garden. There is no evidence for it, but you can't prove that there aren't any, so shouldn't we be agnostic with respect to fairies?"

    Richard Dawkins


    "Out of all of the sects in the world, we notice an uncanny coincidence: the overwhelming majority just happen to choose the one that their parents belong to. Not the sect that has the best evidence in its favour, the best miracles, the best moral code, the best cathedral, the best stained glass, the best music: when it comes to choosing from the smorgasbord of available religions, their potential virtues seem to count for nothing, compared to the matter of heredity. This is an unmistakable fact; nobody could seriously deny it. Yet people with full knowledge of the arbitrary nature of this heredity, somehow manage to go on believing in their religion, often with such fanaticism that they are prepared to murder people who follow a different one."


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    Presuming your liver is already full, I wouldn't advise it. But, as ST said, if its an hour or so after your workout you should be fine. There's no need to take in that many carbs before bed regardless of if you're bulking or not. That is, unless you want to become fat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spiderman
    Presuming your liver is already full, I wouldn't advise it. But, as ST said, if its an hour or so after your workout you should be fine. There's no need to take in that many carbs before bed regardless of if you're bulking or not. That is, unless you want to become fat.
    But what difference would it make if it fit within you daily caloric requirements?
    "It is often said, mainly by the "no-contests", that although there is no positive evidence for the existence of God, nor is there evidence against his existence. So it is best to keep an open mind and be agnostic. At first sight that seems an unassailable position, at least in the weak sense of Pascal's wager. But on second thought it seems a cop-out, because the same could be said of Father Christmas and tooth fairies. There may be fairies at the bottom of the garden. There is no evidence for it, but you can't prove that there aren't any, so shouldn't we be agnostic with respect to fairies?"

    Richard Dawkins


    "Out of all of the sects in the world, we notice an uncanny coincidence: the overwhelming majority just happen to choose the one that their parents belong to. Not the sect that has the best evidence in its favour, the best miracles, the best moral code, the best cathedral, the best stained glass, the best music: when it comes to choosing from the smorgasbord of available religions, their potential virtues seem to count for nothing, compared to the matter of heredity. This is an unmistakable fact; nobody could seriously deny it. Yet people with full knowledge of the arbitrary nature of this heredity, somehow manage to go on believing in their religion, often with such fanaticism that they are prepared to murder people who follow a different one."


    Richard Dawkins


    "Bah. You know I hate poor people."

    Paul Stagg

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    Quote Originally Posted by Manveet
    But what difference would it make if it fit within you daily caloric requirements?
    Your body doesn't know what a daily caloric is or operate on a 24 hour caloric cycle. If you stuff an over abundence of calories into it when your metabolism will be at it's absolute slowest point of the day it's going to store a large amount of them as fat.

    ST
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    I personally dont think we could give accurate advise unless we knew his whole diet. Also it is highly dependant on the person, how they store and react to different nutrients etc. If his carb intake was weak throughout the day and then he had this before bed I dont feel fat accumulation would be a problem.

    When I bulk I have at least 600-700 cals within 10 min of going to bed, and then when I wake to urinate around 4 hours later I have another 500 or so. I have done this while being natural and enhanced and I fell the slight fat gains I may have recieved are worth the much needed caloric intake.
    Diet is key, the calorie is king

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    Quote Originally Posted by Severed Ties
    Your body doesn't know what a daily caloric is or operate on a 24 hour caloric cycle. If you stuff an over abundence of calories into it when your metabolism will be at it's absolute slowest point of the day it's going to store a large amount of them as fat.

    ST
    Are there any definitive studies on this topic?

    I'm gonna see If I can find some on pub med.
    "It is often said, mainly by the "no-contests", that although there is no positive evidence for the existence of God, nor is there evidence against his existence. So it is best to keep an open mind and be agnostic. At first sight that seems an unassailable position, at least in the weak sense of Pascal's wager. But on second thought it seems a cop-out, because the same could be said of Father Christmas and tooth fairies. There may be fairies at the bottom of the garden. There is no evidence for it, but you can't prove that there aren't any, so shouldn't we be agnostic with respect to fairies?"

    Richard Dawkins


    "Out of all of the sects in the world, we notice an uncanny coincidence: the overwhelming majority just happen to choose the one that their parents belong to. Not the sect that has the best evidence in its favour, the best miracles, the best moral code, the best cathedral, the best stained glass, the best music: when it comes to choosing from the smorgasbord of available religions, their potential virtues seem to count for nothing, compared to the matter of heredity. This is an unmistakable fact; nobody could seriously deny it. Yet people with full knowledge of the arbitrary nature of this heredity, somehow manage to go on believing in their religion, often with such fanaticism that they are prepared to murder people who follow a different one."


    Richard Dawkins


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    Paul Stagg

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    Isn't the whole "carbs before bed = fat" an old myth? I've heard time and time again that eating within your caloric deficit, regardless of timing or macro numbers will have little or no affect.

    I think I'll agree with Manveet on this one unless I'm proven wrong with some solid sources.
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    It's not often I disagree with ST, but I'm with Manveet on this one.

    That being said, the proposed meal doesn't impress me much. I would never mix fat with a weight gainer (or any high GI carb), and that many carbs before bed (although I don't think it will make you fat if it's within your caloric limits) just makes no sense.

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