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    Question about shruggs

    I did shruggs today with dumbells. The problem I have is at my hands. I can shrugg 65lbs in each hand, but my hands and fingers just can't take as much as my traps! My hands and fingers wear out before my shoulders!!!! The weight begins to slip etc...

    I'm wearing good leather lifting gloves. Any other suggestions?????????

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    No gloves. They make your grip worse. At least for me....

    Get some chalk, or do some grip work (ie static holds, farmer walks, deadlifts, etc).
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    What about those straps I see guys use?
    Keep it up! One day someone smaller than you will be in the gym!!
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    Straps = bad for teh n00bs.

    Use straps if you NEED to once you have a few years of lifting under your belt. If you start with straps now you'll never improve your grip strength.

    Try barbell shrugs with your left hand underhand, and your right overhand (mixed grip). This will prevent the bar from slipping out.
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    Yea straps are better for when you can shrug at least 300lbs on a bb. Until then, do static grip work, what trich daddy mentioned are the best ones. Also if you can, do some exercises with a thicker bar, and to strengthen your grip with every exercise, squeeze your grip as hard as possible throughout every rep of every set.
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    Quote Originally Posted by trich daddy
    Straps = bad for teh n00bs.

    Use straps if you NEED to once you have a few years of lifting under your belt. If you start with straps now you'll never improve your grip strength.

    Try barbell shrugs with your left hand underhand, and your right overhand (mixed grip). This will prevent the bar from slipping out.
    this is :alcoholic

    get straps now please. You tell me, are you doing shrugs to works your traps or your grip? Sure, grip is worked with shruggs, but the main goal here is to work the traps. If you cant hold the weight to work the traps what good are you doing? Unless you plan on powerlifting in competitions, don't worry about using straps, they are an excellent thing to have handy.

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    Get the straps if you want. T jim i shrug 365 barbell. if u cant hold onto 300lbs and u can shrug it u GOT PROBS..... Get the straps but DONT be dependant on them. try to go as heavy as u can before they slip. then use the straps.

    Honestly if u cant hold onto 65lb dumbells your grip needs ALOT of work.. how bout switching to the barbell for a while using the offset grip.. grip takes time. u will make most progress not using straps but its all up to you. give it a few months and your grip WILL get stronger. strapes only have it take longer

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    Quote Originally Posted by GMCtrk
    this is :alcoholic

    get straps now please. You tell me, are you doing shrugs to works your traps or your grip? Sure, grip is worked with shruggs, but the main goal here is to work the traps. If you cant hold the weight to work the traps what good are you doing? Unless you plan on powerlifting in competitions, don't worry about using straps, they are an excellent thing to have handy.
    I stand by my statement. Straps for him would be like giving someone crack who first tried coke last week....

    If you can't hang on to 65 lb dumbbells, your grip is pretty weak. No excuse not to get it stronger... then move on to straps for certain movements if you need it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by trich daddy
    I stand by my statement. Straps for him would be like giving someone crack who first tried coke last week....

    If you can't hang on to 65 lb dumbbells, your grip is pretty weak. No excuse not to get it stronger... then move on to straps for certain movements if you need it.
    I'm seconding this.
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    I'm with trich and TJ, do your grip work. Don't resort to straps until you're deadlifting some serious weight.

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    i'm with these guys, i only recently bought straps last week, and i've been lifting for about 2 years. i've never needed them until now, as i'm deadlifting and shrugging weight that i feel needs straps. i know my grip is strong, but i can only hold up so much, so the straps help. wait for this guy to improve grip strength, and then move on to straps accordingly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trich daddy
    Straps = bad for teh n00bs.

    Use straps if you NEED to once you have a few years of lifting under your belt. If you start with straps now you'll never improve your grip strength.
    Noobs giving noobs advice is like the blind leading the blind.

    J/K trich

    I think if you took a pole on using straps or not, it would be tied 50/50. My feeling on straps is, if your grip is taking away from being able to maximize a lift, then use them. Why decrease the efficiency of your trap workout by not using straps? If you can shrug 65 lbs but can't hold it, then why not use the straps? Your grip will still strengthen over time so be patient.
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    Stand there for a few minutes, then pace back and forth a lot, huff and puff, wait until everybody's looking. Approach the bar. Back off. Approach it again. Back off. Get some water. Chalk up. Approach the bar again. Then spray some more chalk around. Wait until people start losing interest. When nobody's looking, pick it a little off the floor, and slam it down. Jump up and yell "LIGHT WEIGHT BABY". Then give high fives all around. - Belial

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    But then what's the point of being able to shrug 300lbs if you can't hold 65lbs? I still think he should work his grip WITH his traps, no point in letting one muscle group get ahead of another, especially static grip strength.
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    but he's not working on his grip, he's working on shrugs. I see no problem why he should not use straps or gloves if it makes an improvement on his traps. If he wants to work on grips he'd work on grips not traps. I personally dont use straps or gloves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Titanium_Jim
    But then what's the point of being able to shrug 300lbs if you can't hold 65lbs? I still think he should work his grip WITH his traps, no point in letting one muscle group get ahead of another, especially static grip strength.
    The point of shrugging 300 lbs is to work your traps, not your grip strength. By your rule of thumb, you would sacrifice the efficiency of your trap workout over a lifting aid. That's all straps are, an aid to holding heavy weight. You still improve your grip strength with every other upper body exercise you do. So why worry over helping out ONE exercise with the use of straps. If you're lacking a good grip then you can dedicate a small portion of your arm workout to grip. There are certain exercises that target your forearms which will improve that. That's the route I would go.
    Best way to cheat on deadlifts...

    Stand there for a few minutes, then pace back and forth a lot, huff and puff, wait until everybody's looking. Approach the bar. Back off. Approach it again. Back off. Get some water. Chalk up. Approach the bar again. Then spray some more chalk around. Wait until people start losing interest. When nobody's looking, pick it a little off the floor, and slam it down. Jump up and yell "LIGHT WEIGHT BABY". Then give high fives all around. - Belial

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    Quote Originally Posted by RussianRocket
    but he's not working on his grip, he's working on shrugs. I see no problem why he should not use straps or gloves if it makes an improvement on his traps. If he wants to work on grips he'd work on grips not traps.
    That's another great way to explain it.
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    Best way to cheat on deadlifts...

    Stand there for a few minutes, then pace back and forth a lot, huff and puff, wait until everybody's looking. Approach the bar. Back off. Approach it again. Back off. Get some water. Chalk up. Approach the bar again. Then spray some more chalk around. Wait until people start losing interest. When nobody's looking, pick it a little off the floor, and slam it down. Jump up and yell "LIGHT WEIGHT BABY". Then give high fives all around. - Belial

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    Most people can't shrug the weight they use properly. And, it only gets worse when they start using wrist wraps.

    Imo, wraps are a waste when doing shrugs. If you can't grip it, you can't rip it.
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    You guys wanna get bigger right. Why not use the straps to aid in your shrugs, rows, etc, then on arm day work on your forearms and your grip. Then you get the best of both worlds? I can easily shrug 400lbs and I need my straps to do it. Nothing pisses me off more than having a good set end prematurely because my grip gave out. Do I flex my grip in the mirror after a good day at the gym? No!! I flex my chest, back, etc. Use the straps, love the straps, embrace the straps. Your physique will be the better for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maki Riddington
    Most people can't shrug the weight they use properly. And, it only gets worse when they start using wrist wraps.

    Imo, wraps are a waste when doing shrugs. If you can't grip it, you can't rip it.
    Yes, there are people that try to shrug weight that they can't hold or shrug properly. But he's only attempting to shrug 65 lbs. I'm guessing that he doesn't fall into that category. Shrugs are the last exercise I perform on back/trap day. My grip isn't worth shat after deadlifts, pulldowns and rows. Sometimes I need straps to hold weight that wouldn't feel too heavy if I put shrugs in a different place that day. But I'm not going to avoid ripping it just because I'm having trouble gripping it.

    Best way to cheat on deadlifts...

    Stand there for a few minutes, then pace back and forth a lot, huff and puff, wait until everybody's looking. Approach the bar. Back off. Approach it again. Back off. Get some water. Chalk up. Approach the bar again. Then spray some more chalk around. Wait until people start losing interest. When nobody's looking, pick it a little off the floor, and slam it down. Jump up and yell "LIGHT WEIGHT BABY". Then give high fives all around. - Belial

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    After a while you get used to it. when I started like you I had the same problem, few years later I'm shrugging 130lb db's with no problems.

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    So you're the bastard that's been hogging the 130lb db's. I've been needing them for curls and kickbacks. Jerk.

    Best way to cheat on deadlifts...

    Stand there for a few minutes, then pace back and forth a lot, huff and puff, wait until everybody's looking. Approach the bar. Back off. Approach it again. Back off. Get some water. Chalk up. Approach the bar again. Then spray some more chalk around. Wait until people start losing interest. When nobody's looking, pick it a little off the floor, and slam it down. Jump up and yell "LIGHT WEIGHT BABY". Then give high fives all around. - Belial

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tim Nissen
    So you're the bastard that's been hogging the 130lb db's. I've been needing them for curls and kickbacks. Jerk.

    Kiss my ass, I'm the only one that should be using them!

    And I highly doubt you are using my 130's for curls and kickbacks. Stick to your pink 2lb db's!

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    Quote Originally Posted by homunculus
    Do I flex my grip in the mirror after a good day at the gym? No!! I flex my chest, back, etc. Use the straps, love the straps, embrace the straps. Your physique will be the better for it.
    LOL! so correct..think about the little finger bicep pose _/ if i was strong enough to care, i'd get straps too, and get some of those little squeeze thingys for the grip..you work on grip doing all kinds of stuff..how is one exercise gonna hurt?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maki Riddington
    Most people can't shrug the weight they use properly. And, it only gets worse when they start using wrist wraps.

    Imo, wraps are a waste when doing shrugs. If you can't grip it, you can't rip it.
    that's just wrong

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    Quote Originally Posted by GMCtrk
    that's just wrong
    According to you.

    Real men decapitate strap users.

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