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The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness

Itís no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

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    Hammers, curls, preacher curls, cable pulls

    I do Barbell curls and dumbbell curls for biceps now.
    would it be usefull to change this for instance to hammer and curls for some time? they any good?

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    yes.

    take db curls out and put in hammer curls for a while.

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    i always do barb curls first and anything i do after that for bis will suck **** anyway....
    maybe i should put in hammers and do those BEFORE the barbs for a while?

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    yes!!! i was gonna tell u to do that but didnt know if u would like it....u should gain so more size/strength from it cause u have been so use to db and bb curls that hammer curls hits muscles u havent hit before....

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    In my personal opinion BB curls are not very effective for size, although they worked for strength. The best exercise for size for the biceps is the Preacher Curl hands down.
    The best exercises you could do would be:
    Preacher Curls
    Hammer Curls
    Barbell Curls
    Don't get me wrong, BB curls will add size, but not as fast as the Preacher will.

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    And you know this how, exactly?
    Squats work better than supplements.
    "You know, if I thought like that, I'd never put more than one plate on the bar for anything, I'd never use bands or chains, I'd never squat to parallel or below, and I'd never let out the slightest grunt when I lift. At some point in your lifting career (assuming you're planning on getting reasonably strong and big), you're going to have to accept that most people think you are some kind of freak." -Sensei
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    yes man. thats quite a statement there bro. better back it up.
    so paul stagg what do you think?

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    Originally posted by Jim101
    In my personal opinion BB curls are not very effective for size, although they worked for strength.
    *** Note, he said "in his personal opinion". I would asssume he is posting from personal experience.
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    "I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my sinful nature. For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. For what I do is not the good I want to do; no, the evil I do not want to do--this I keep on doing. Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.
    So I find this law at work: When I want to do good, evil is right there with me. For in my inner being I delight in God's law; but I see another law at work in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within my members. What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body of death? Thanks be to God--through Jesus Christ our Lord!"
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    The problem with preacher curls is that they provide little to no resistance for the top half of the movement. Now, preacher curls on a machine, that's a different story.

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    I ignored the part about personal experience, strength, and size, as Jim is not yet old enough to drive, so his experience isn't going to mean much to me.

    I focused in on:

    "The best exercise for size for the biceps is the Preacher Curl hands down."

    I want Jim to explain how this is the case.

    If he didn't word it right, and meant to say "I think, based on my experience, that the best exercise for the biceps is the preacher curl" we can discuss it in terms of his experience.

    In internetland, there is a HUGE difference between the two.
    Squats work better than supplements.
    "You know, if I thought like that, I'd never put more than one plate on the bar for anything, I'd never use bands or chains, I'd never squat to parallel or below, and I'd never let out the slightest grunt when I lift. At some point in your lifting career (assuming you're planning on getting reasonably strong and big), you're going to have to accept that most people think you are some kind of freak." -Sensei
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    i liek hamur curlz.

    seriously....i've noticed that they kinda filled out my bicep, if that makes any sense?
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    Exactly, I said in my personal opinion meaning what has worked for me. I also heard Arnold and I can't remember who the 1st Mr. Olympia was, but they said that preacher curls did wonders for them compared to BB curls, of course they used steriods but it still got them more growth. I've heard from numerous people also that BB curls helped them more in strength then for size, again this is for them. You should experiment with them all and see what adds the best size for you.

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    And with the preacher curls being the most effective for size hands down was after I said In my experiences so I assumed that everyone would get that, sorry I must not have worded it correctly, sorry for the mix up.
    I do know that the 3 best bicep ex. that -I- know of are preacher curls, hammer curls and barbell curls.
    Tryska, yes that seems the case for me also, they seem to make them look "thicker and more full" ? Correct?

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    well for me, it actually made them a bit "longer". i guess cuz it targets lower down on the bicep that they filled out some. prior to doing hammer curls consistently i was doing just regular db curls, and concentrations...

    when i switched up to hammers and preachers, the change i notice was that they got a bit longer, and harder. (and what girl doesn't like that, huh? *lol*)
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    Hmmmmm, Triscut needs a good soap in the mouth washing.

    Hammer Curls and Barbell Curls work great for moi.
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    "Test all things; hold fast what is good.": 1 Thessalonians 5:21

    "I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my sinful nature. For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. For what I do is not the good I want to do; no, the evil I do not want to do--this I keep on doing. Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.
    So I find this law at work: When I want to do good, evil is right there with me. For in my inner being I delight in God's law; but I see another law at work in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within my members. What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body of death? Thanks be to God--through Jesus Christ our Lord!"
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    maki...please stop calling me that...i don't like it. it's not like i call you maxi pad or something....please give me the same respect.
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    Originally posted by Tryska
    well for me, it actually made them a bit "longer". i guess cuz it targets lower down on the bicep that they filled out some. prior to doing hammer curls consistently i was doing just regular db curls, and concentrations...

    when i switched up to hammers and preachers, the change i notice was that they got a bit longer, and harder. (and what girl doesn't like that, huh? *lol*)
    Must be the localized release of HGH and cytokines * heh heh *



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    Originally posted by Tryska
    maki...please stop calling me that...i don't like it. it's not like i call you maxi pad or something....please give me the same respect.
    *** Ahhhhh, so my heckling is finally getting to you.
    I guess you can't tell that I was joshing with ya so I'll apologize and leave you alone.
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    "Soli Deo Gloria"
    "Test all things; hold fast what is good.": 1 Thessalonians 5:21

    "I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my sinful nature. For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. For what I do is not the good I want to do; no, the evil I do not want to do--this I keep on doing. Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.
    So I find this law at work: When I want to do good, evil is right there with me. For in my inner being I delight in God's law; but I see another law at work in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within my members. What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body of death? Thanks be to God--through Jesus Christ our Lord!"
    Romans 7:14-25

    "Judo is not about strength. Yet in the learning curve, all Judokas get strong. Only with time do you learn where to apply that strength."
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    Originally posted by DelphiDoc


    Oh where oh where has Cackerot gone,
    Oh where oh where can he be?
    With a cut and a paste,
    With a mullet cut long...
    Oh where oh where can he be?
    *** LMAO
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    "Soli Deo Gloria"
    "Test all things; hold fast what is good.": 1 Thessalonians 5:21

    "I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my sinful nature. For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. For what I do is not the good I want to do; no, the evil I do not want to do--this I keep on doing. Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.
    So I find this law at work: When I want to do good, evil is right there with me. For in my inner being I delight in God's law; but I see another law at work in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within my members. What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body of death? Thanks be to God--through Jesus Christ our Lord!"
    Romans 7:14-25

    "Judo is not about strength. Yet in the learning curve, all Judokas get strong. Only with time do you learn where to apply that strength."
    The Art of Judo

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    I am going to experiment with only doing curl-grip chins and hammers for my biceps. I will prolly do one exercise one week and the other the next. I'm eating at basically maintenance cals now, so I'll let you know if I at least maintain size. I think most people do way too much bicep work. I used to and got nowhere.
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    lol@delphi
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    Originally posted by Maki Riddington


    *** Ahhhhh, so my heckling is finally getting to you.
    I guess you can't tell that I was joshing with ya so I'll apologize and leave you alone.
    no, i can tell, which i why i didn't get out and out angry, but it was started to irritate me. (which granted isn't too difficult when i'm not feeling my best), but anyways...yeah thanks man, i appreciate the apology.
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    Thanks for the clarification, Jim.

    For the most part, a curl is a curl.

    I personally hate preacher curls. In the top third of the movement, resistance is almost zero.

    On the other hand, I love incline curls.

    What has worked best?

    Chins.

    I gained more size on my arms doing chins and almost no direct arm work.

    Of course, I also got much bigger during that time period.

    As long as you are progressing, keep at what you like.
    Squats work better than supplements.
    "You know, if I thought like that, I'd never put more than one plate on the bar for anything, I'd never use bands or chains, I'd never squat to parallel or below, and I'd never let out the slightest grunt when I lift. At some point in your lifting career (assuming you're planning on getting reasonably strong and big), you're going to have to accept that most people think you are some kind of freak." -Sensei
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    Hey am I hallucinating or did chris say a machine exercise is better than a freeweight???

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    I think there are some ace machines.
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