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The Five Biggest Contradictions in Fitness

Itís no secret that when people contradict themselves, it has the effect of making the flaws in their actions or statements seem glaringly obvious. But what about when WE ourselves get caught contradicting ourselves by someone else?

By: Nick Tumminello Added: January 6th, 2014
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    gaining mass, what exactly is possible?

    ok ive seen and read so many comments and information regarding the rate at which people can gain lean muscle, the majority stick with the idea that 2lbs a week is all you can gain with the rest being fat.

    Is this really the case for non AAS assisted individuals?



    I have a fast metabolism also, is there any benefit to my body being able to utilise calories for muscle gain rather than assigning any excess to bodyfat?
    Im only curious since its such a common figure, everyone seems to level on 2 lbs a week which seems a bit too correlative for such a mix of bodytypes and lifestyles.

    Ive gained 8lbs in 4 weeks eating correctly for my weight, and training consistently and its hard weight, i bulked earlier in the year and gained the same amount in 3 weeks but i felt and looked softer.

    Maybe the answer is staring me in the face but i was eating roughly 4500 cals a day whereas now im eating 3500, and i feel leaner and stronger.

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    thats odd, because i would think that if you eat 4500 clas instead of 3500 you would see quicker weight gain. Were you doing cardio or playing sports while eating more. Logically i dont see a reason how 3500 cals would be better than 4500 cals, beside the fact you might gain less fat.
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    I've personally experienced lean gains in mass right around 1.5 to 2 lbs per week. This was during a time where my diet and routines were fine tuned and steady. You mentioned a mix of body types and lifestyles, which there are many. But different body types would not limit you to making gains of 2 lbs per week. People with different bodies may require different things to hit that goal, but it's still there for all of us to achieve. I guess I don't know what you're hinting at with the lifestyles thing though. We all have different schedules. All you have to do is get in the gym, eat and sleep. You can fit that in if it's important. So your lifestyle is irrelevant.
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    Stand there for a few minutes, then pace back and forth a lot, huff and puff, wait until everybody's looking. Approach the bar. Back off. Approach it again. Back off. Get some water. Chalk up. Approach the bar again. Then spray some more chalk around. Wait until people start losing interest. When nobody's looking, pick it a little off the floor, and slam it down. Jump up and yell "LIGHT WEIGHT BABY". Then give high fives all around. - Belial

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    im only wondering what the maximum gains are from drug free training, some ppl make huge gains that when divided over weeks work out as 3-4 lbs a week.
    Agreeably they probably gained a lots of fat or they probably lied about their gains or the timespan.

    I wouldnt want to go gaining 3-4lbs a week if 1-2 lbs was just going to be fat that id have to get rid of later.
    Ive stayed lean so far in 4 weeks, and im very happy to have stayed that way, its less work for next april/may. (god i hate cardio )

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    Summer of 2003 I gained 20lbs in 2 months, But this might have been b/c
    1. Just started to do squats and Deadlifts
    2. I was underweight, 5ft 7 130lbs
    3. Ate everything, Fast food and stonner food like microwave and quick oven pizzas
    4. I used to take about 65grams of extra protein everyday with shakes

    I havenot been able to recreate this, I wish I could, and I sure do try to replicate it. Anyway after that I didnt buy any more protein for a while, just got me a little bit and I'll try it out and see if it changes anything, hope it does. I agree with Tim, getting the diet, training and rest fine tuned is when it takes off and you start gaining.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Digitised
    im only wondering what the maximum gains are from drug free training, some ppl make huge gains that when divided over weeks work out as 3-4 lbs a week.
    Agreeably they probably gained a lots of fat or they probably lied about their gains or the timespan.

    I wouldnt want to go gaining 3-4lbs a week if 1-2 lbs was just going to be fat that id have to get rid of later.
    Ive stayed lean so far in 4 weeks, and im very happy to have stayed that way, its less work for next april/may. (god i hate cardio )
    You're not going to gain much more than 1-2 lbs of lean mass per week on a drug free program.
    Best way to cheat on deadlifts...

    Stand there for a few minutes, then pace back and forth a lot, huff and puff, wait until everybody's looking. Approach the bar. Back off. Approach it again. Back off. Get some water. Chalk up. Approach the bar again. Then spray some more chalk around. Wait until people start losing interest. When nobody's looking, pick it a little off the floor, and slam it down. Jump up and yell "LIGHT WEIGHT BABY". Then give high fives all around. - Belial

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    Even a growth rate of 1-2 lbs of lbm/week can't be maintained very long. Think about it, that would average out to 52-104 lbs of lbm for a year of lifting, which is impossible (naturally anyway).

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    newbie gains are quick easy and fast.. after that it gets harder.
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    There are way too many variables to figure out a set number. The best thing you can do is get all you can in order and hope that everything works out the way you want it to. You have your mood throughout the day (stress or lack thereof plays a big part in your body's changes), your metabolism, how much you eat, what you eat, how much sleep you get, how many calories you burn off, a million things will change it one way or the other. Someone who doesn't eat enough fiber may not gain as much muscle as someone who trains half as hard, but has a balanced diet. Anything can happen. My first 2 and a half years of lifting I didn't take into account anything but the exercise, and though I gained size and strength, I didn't gain 1 pound. I somehow gained muscle and lost fat with stomach problems, sleep deprivation and a low AND bad diet. In the last 6 months I've focused more on the other parts of my day and gained 15lbs already.
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    but surely thats only limited by your own genetic barriers?

    If your genetics stated that 250lbs was your maximum attainable size (without AAS) and you weighed 140, are you saying it wouldnt be possible to gain to say 220ish at a rate of 2lbs per week?

    Or would it slow after say 30-40 lbs and be a long hard path the rest of the way?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Digitised
    but surely thats only limited by your own genetic barriers?

    If your genetics stated that 250lbs was your maximum attainable size (without AAS) and you weighed 140, are you saying it wouldnt be possible to gain to say 220ish at a rate of 2lbs per week?

    Or would it slow after say 30-40 lbs and be a long hard path the rest of the way?
    2 lbs/week is a ton of weight. You won't be able to do it for long.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Digitised
    but surely thats only limited by your own genetic barriers?

    If your genetics stated that 250lbs was your maximum attainable size (without AAS) and you weighed 140, are you saying it wouldnt be possible to gain to say 220ish at a rate of 2lbs per week?

    Or would it slow after say 30-40 lbs and be a long hard path the rest of the way?
    I wouldn't worry about it. If you just take care of all the little things in improving or maintaining your general health, you'll gain as fast as your body allows. Your genetics won't state anything, and it will most likely take a LONG time to see everything hit your body's natural plateau.
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    "If you are looking for a workout that will make you sore, you need to reassess your priorities, and perhaps look for an S&M club in your area." - Paul Stagg
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    Quote Originally Posted by Titanium_Jim
    it will most likely take a LONG time to see everything hit your body's natural plateau.
    Not only that, you'll never know when you get there.

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    I guarantee that if you are gaining 2 lbs a week, it isn't all muscle. I remember reading in Arnold's book if you put on 12-15 lbs of pure muscle in a year, you're doing pretty good.
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    There's an article on this site that talks about this. I remember it saying that elite athletes might gain - at a maximum - 24 pounds of muscle a year.

    I think for us mere mortals 12 pounds a year (or less!) sounds about right.

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    12 lbs ?

    hmm i hope to prove that figure wrong, anyway thnx for the input guys!

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    Everything has to meet and be fully tuned, diet, rest, mental thoughts, stress, working out routine, then you'll go and gain it. IF one thing is out of place it wont happen, thats probably why people tend to usually gain weight in the summer, no school, college, etc. Atleast I did anyways.

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